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    My experience at Lake Powell with the "volunteer Coast Guard"

    I recently got back from 10 days at Lake Powell and I thought that I should relate this experience to you. On our first day out, on our first wake surfing run, no more than two hours into our 10 day trip, we get pulled over by a "volunteer Coast Guard Auxiliary boat". They proceed to tell me that they are pulling me over to warn me about the laws at Lake Powell as they pertain to wakesurfing. They state the following:

    1. You must have a 20 foot rope from the stern of the boat.
    2. That even after you drop the rope that you must remain 20 feet behind the boat.
    3. That in 2007 8 people died from carbon monoxide poisoning while wakesurfing.
    4. That this law is exclusive to Lake Powell only.
    5. That they don't have any authority to issue citations, but that they record the boat numbers and put them into a database, then if we are pulled over by a NPS ranger, they will have access to that database, see that we've been warned and issue a citation.
    As I am hearing this I am questioning every statement. I told them that I've never heard that the rope has to be 20 feet from the stern of the boat. I told them that I've never heard that you have to remain 20 feet back after dropping the rope. I really challenged them on the asertion of 8 people dying. Basically asking for documentation on that. Once I found out that they had no citation authority, I started to challenge their statements more. They never could give me any statutory references or backup for their statements.

    So later that day, since I had to go into Page for some parts, I decided to stop by the National Park Service headquarters and speak personally to the Chief ranger with whom I had spoken to on the phone a few weeks earlier when this issue was brought up on another thread. Since he was already gone for the weekend, I ended up speaking with his boss, the "Downlake District Supervisor" (who I had also spoken to previously) and a new person, the Head Law Enforcement Supervisor. She was very helpful and clarified all of the issues for me. She gave me a copy of the law which states that there must be a 20 foot rope. It doesn't state where the rope has to be attached to the boat. Meaning that the volunteers were wrong about having to be attached to the stern. She mentioned that once the rope is dropped, that you are not being "towed" anymore so the 20 feet after dropping the rope doesn't apply. Meaning that the volunteers were wrong on the second statement.

    I asked her about 8 people dying from carbon monoxide while wakesurfing and that is when she asked me if I got the names of the volunteers, because she stated that no one has died from wakesurfing and that she needed to let these guys know the facts and have them stop spreading false information.

    She told me that these men are just volunteers and sometimes get the facts mixed up and are a little overzealous in their work. Our paths crossed two more times that day, once around Antelope point marina and the second time at Wahweap marina. It was at Wahweap that I noticed that these were two older men, who had a temporary lighting fixture attached to the bow of their boat, had temporary (removable) coast guard signs attached to the sides of their boat and an American and Coast Guard flag on the back of their boat. The boat had a name written across the back called "La Vida". It became obvious to me that they were using their personal vessel as the Volunteer Coast Guard vessel. So I guess if you are out at Lake Powell, you too could be a volunteer coast guard, if you sign up, they will provide you with the lights to put across your bow, signs for the side and flags for the rear.

    I never saw them again for the remaining 9 days, nor did I ever get pulled over by the NPS rangers. So the moral of this story is don't believe everything that you hear on the waters at Lake Powell.

    #2
    Thanks for the info LP. I spent 5 days at Lake Mohave wakesurfing and never was bothered.

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      #3
      That is crazy! I have never seen them down there before. I am glad that you went and got the real facts.

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        #4
        I forgot to add that my first words coming out of the NPS offices were "just like Surfdad said". Surfdad was right on the money with this law and I didn't doubt him, it was just when they started throwing all of these other statements at us, I was starting to wonder if by chance they were right.

        NOT.

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          #5
          YES, 600 posts. Now a tige junkie. Oh how sweet it feels.

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            #6
            Yes, member since August of 2004 and 600 posts, you my friend have an addiction

            Congratulations!

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              #7
              Hey, its quality, not quantity.

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                #8
                The EXACT same thing happened to us this weekend! This is the first time we've taken our 08 RZ2 to Powell, we were surfing in Warm Creek Bay when we were "pulled over" and told that surfing is illegal unless we're 20 ft behind the boat. This "ranger" gave us the same "verbal warning"; 8 people have died surfing, it's a $275 fine, they wrote down our numbers etc, etc. So the next day we found a cove to surf in thinking we had to hide! If you still have the exact law I'd really like to see it. Could you post it? Still had a great trip(thanks JWALK!!!) with great weather just wish we'd been able to surf more

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                  #9
                  Good job Lovin'! That 20 foot rule is federal, it's the same basic law in New Jersey also. Interestingly enough, any federally controlled waterway has that same stupid 20 foot rope law. You can coil it, have 12 feet hanging past the handle - whatever, but the federal law states it has to be 20 feet in length.

                  Thanks for keeping us updated and also for going out of your way to talk to the BIG BOSS.
                  Buy my kid's board! http://www.flyboywakesurf.com

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ibbrown View Post
                    The EXACT same thing happened to us this weekend! This is the first time we've taken our 08 RZ2 to Powell, we were surfing in Warm Creek Bay when we were "pulled over" and told that surfing is illegal unless we're 20 ft behind the boat. This "ranger" gave us the same "verbal warning"; 8 people have died surfing, it's a $275 fine, they wrote down our numbers etc, etc. So the next day we found a cove to surf in thinking we had to hide! If you still have the exact law I'd really like to see it. Could you post it? Still had a great trip(thanks JWALK!!!) with great weather just wish we'd been able to surf more
                    I probably still have it in my boat's registration bag, I'll have to check on it. BTW, we spent our time this year up in Gunsight and never did see that volunteer coast guard. We did see the same boat in the Wal Mart parking lot though and I had to restrain myself when I saw the man and his wife getting out of the vehicle that was towing the boat.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ibbrown View Post
                      The EXACT same thing happened to us this weekend! This is the first time we've taken our 08 RZ2 to Powell, we were surfing in Warm Creek Bay when we were "pulled over" and told that surfing is illegal unless we're 20 ft behind the boat. This "ranger" gave us the same "verbal warning"; 8 people have died surfing, it's a $275 fine, they wrote down our numbers etc, etc. So the next day we found a cove to surf in thinking we had to hide! If you still have the exact law I'd really like to see it. Could you post it? Still had a great trip(thanks JWALK!!!) with great weather just wish we'd been able to surf more

                      IB,
                      We were in warm creek this week end, I saw a ton of Tigés. It was a great week end, hope you found some good water, it was tough to find. Were you with the group of kids from Utah county? They had over 150 with them and they had several boats. I don't know if I saw a Tigé with them. It would have been nice to meet.

                      I also saw the volunteer coast gaurd out giving lectures, there also was a park ranger out on Sunday and he looked to be giving tickets to guys pulling surfers, not for surfing, but for people sitting on sun pads while surfing. I saw him with two different groups and he went right by us while pulling surfer to the next boat pulling a surfer with a ton of kids (well they look like kids to me) <20 hanging out all over the boat.
                      Last edited by Original Wing Nut; 09-08-2009, 06:07 PM.
                      My dad always said "Stupid Hurts". He's yet to be proven wrong, but for some reason I keep trying.

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                        #12
                        LP,
                        Where is the original thread that you referred to in your first post? I was looking to send a copy of your note to a guy who is having similar problems in Texas.
                        Be excellent to one another.

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                          #13
                          Would this be the one?

                          http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/show...ht=lake+Powell

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by talltigeguy View Post
                            LP,
                            Where is the original thread that you referred to in your first post? I was looking to send a copy of your note to a guy who is having similar problems in Texas.
                            What part of Texas?
                            Friends don't let friends POWERTURN

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by LovinPowell View Post
                              I could swear that I remember a thread where you posted a very well written email that I thought this guy in Texas could plagiarize (sp?) and help to educate his local boat cop authorities. That one does not have it. Maybe it was someone else?
                              Be excellent to one another.

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