A grabbed aerial

[xpjim1]

Surfdad,
So what you are saying is the board is on steroids????
LOL

The response back to the subcommittee is the board took vitamins. At no time was it injected with steroids

Thats the boards story and it is sticking too it...

[samw]

The response back to the subcommittee is the board took vitamins. At no time was it injected with steroids

Thats the boards story and it is sticking too it...

LOL

[rhutchins7]

The response back to the subcommittee is the board took vitamins. At no time was it injected with steroids

Thats the boards story and it is sticking too it...

Whatever it is I need some.

Moki,
It may be an inch, or maybe less, but I can get a little pop on the good ol' butter board. Its actually more like a little bunny hop/olie at the top of the wake. Notheing even close to the what the surfdad crew is doin. The butter has been great but I think its time for an upgrade.

[Moki]

Yes, it's the board that I use to teach people on and I use the 2007.5 loogey for my fun. I have an inland surfer 5'11" but am selling it- It is like driving an Excursion. I tried to buy one of Surfdad's boards last year, but it didn't work out. I would like to still get something like that. Marine Products had a pretty sweet - hand made- super light - super fast board last year. I haven't looked this year.

Surfdad, if you have any used boards for sale - let me know!

[dogbert]

Surfdad,
So what you are saying is the board is on steroids????
LOL

Didn't you see the small afterburners behind the fins?

[samw]

Didn't you see the small afterburners behind the fins?

I missed that, you get that extra stuff when you can build your own boards or alter other board and make them better.
Surfdad and James were not worthy

[Surfdad]

Hey Moki,

Nothing in the used department right now. I typically off-load at the beginning of the season.

Yeah...I'll cop to it. It's steroid use

Back to rhutchins7's question about the butter board. The real issue with that board, as well as, most of the big 3 manufacturers boards is that they are heavy AND they have junk in the way of fin placement. The butter board did a much better job than say LF, but it was also mostly about ease of manufacture, rather than performance.

If you have a chance to look at a performance board - not a skimmer like the Phase 5, but say a props or ASC or TWP, etc - the fins will have two angles. The first is toe-in - just like the front wheels of your car, the other is cant, this is where the tips of the fins are angled out towards the rail of the board more.

In short, cant helps provide lift and drive to the board, the toe-in helps with drive and also with intiation of turns. If you look at something like the LF Custom thruster the fins are straight up and down (no cant) and straight ahead (no toe-in). These boards are slow and unresponsive compared to boards with more performance oriented fin placements.

The Jamako has the fins done right. Jerry didn't elimiante performance for production speed.

The last thing that most mass produced boards suffer from with respect to aerials is release. Water wraps around curved surfaces and will HOLD on like glue. On custom made high performance boards, curved areas on the rails are limited to the nose, the tail of the board is typically very angular. Now what happens from a consumer standpoint is that the angular surface create HUGE amounts of spray - so little Tommy gets water hitting his leg, so you won't see it on a mass produced board. Also, curved surfaces that don't produce undercuts are easier to demold in pop-out construction.

So back to the Jamako, the Jamako's tail releases fairly well, it has hard rails through out and a very angular tail, however...that tail is also HUGE.

The Jamako is really designed as a big boy's stick - over 200 pounds that wanted rail-to-rail responsiveness. The exceptionally wide tail - coupled with the extreme curve in the plan shape tends to make that board stick on the surface, IMO.

If you're enamored with Shred Stixx, and Jerry is a great guy has tons of experience building boards, I'd talk with him about his Hazen Pro Model. There is NO other board on the market that releases as well as that. They have a slight V off the tail, which gives it rail-to-rail responsiveness and it leaves the water with literally no effort.

I'm not a big fan of the quad configuration...mostly because I couldn't get it to work. Jerry has been working with them for about 3 years and has the top name in CA designing and modifying for him. The Hazen Pro model is a quad. That board has tons of speed, easy release, bottom turns like crazy, the down side is you'll lose some surface rotation ease and it loses a bit of squirt.

I'd give Jerry at Shred Stixx a call and talk to him about your needs - you can also see that Hazen Pro model in the picture above with Johnny stieg riding it.

[Surfdad]

That's funny samw Extra stuff. So at the surf shop they have two lines - NOPE you are too pedestrian, you can't buy this extra stuff It's reserved for crazy a$$ - obsessive compulsive folks that build their own boards.

Actually what it does is give you a greater understanding of what works and doesn't...and I took a tip from Japanese manufacturers, they seek small incremental gains and test everything.

[rhutchins7]

Surfdad, thanks for the helpful info, sorry for the delayed response. I wish I could find a way to demo some of these boards here in Utah.

Are there any other boards you suggest that provide similar results as the hazen model?

[Surfdad]

You know, one of the things that we really need to organize is demo days. Get a set of boards from the manufacturers and then move them around from site to site - maybe something like a demo day on Saturday and a contest on Sunday, possibly combine it with a boat manufacturer sponsoring a contest series.

Would that interest anyone? If you could say - pay $10-$20, basically just to cover the cost of gas and shipping the boards, would you be willing to travel to a demo day to test - maybe something like 6 boards? I hear over and iver again how hard it is to test these sticks, this idea seems like it might make that easier.

The Thresher is similar, but not exactly the same. It would work well and it's a stock size, so it would ship the same day as you order. I think the next closest board is TWP Bullet, but that's a custom order so you're looking at a minimum of 6 weeks before it's on your doorstep.

Really, those are the two best aerial boards, if you eliminate the Hazen Pro.

[LovinPowell]

Those pics are cool. I am looking forward to seeing it firsthand.

[rhutchins7]

I would definetly pay to demo some boards. The retail dealers in my area will demo wake boards for $20.00 and credit the amount towards your purchase, but wont demo surf boards because of ' liability and safety concerns'. It must be a carbon monoxide concern because you dont see more people getting hurt wakesurfing vs wakeboarding.

I would consider traveling to demo and attend an event if I had the time to plan.... although it would be awesome to see an event or a demo day come through this area (maybe they are and I'm just not hearing about them). I would be happy to help plan/organize a demo day with some custom boards.

[KonaKing]

I would definetly pay to demo some boards. The retail dealers in my area will demo wake boards for $20.00 and credit the amount towards your purchase, but wont demo surf boards because of ' liability and safety concerns'. It must be a carbon monoxide concern because you dont see more people getting hurt wakesurfing vs wakeboarding.

I would consider traveling to demo and attend an event if I had the time to plan.... although it would be awesome to see an event or a demo day come through this area (maybe they are and I'm just not hearing about them). I would be happy to help plan/organize a demo day with some custom boards.

go to utah water sports they demo for FREE. I also have a few I have made you are welcome to try if you get down to Provo.

[sagmanaur]

I would love to come to a demo day, but unfortunately, NO CAL is a little far to travel with the gas prices the way they are.

[Surfdad]

Hey Sag, I'm proposing to take it on the road - like you say 800 miles to ride would cost you as much as buying a board!

I'm thinking organize demo days regionally, ship the boards to an organizer and possibly hold a contest the next day. Make it easier for folks to attend and demo a board.