Go Surf Assist on RZ2

[chpthril]

I would disagree with any suggestion that it is an “unknown” and second to a factory set up.


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I do not see an suggestion of unknowns regarding GSA or that is ranks 2nd to TAPS-3, so asking if this was referring to my comments?

[dakota4ce]

Go Surf Assist on RZ2

I do not see an suggestion of unknowns regarding GSA or that is ranks 2nd to TAPS-3, so asking if this was referring to my comments?

I can’t remember, I was drinking and typing when I posted that. Probably not the best way to conduct forum life.

If you had zero innuendo built into “factory system tested on their hulls” and “universal aftermarket” then I apologize for the implied reference. Sure those are facts, but we were posting inside of context as well.

It sure kinda reads that way from South Dakota, but if it wasn’t meant to, no problem. I don’t know what point the comment would have if it wasn’t meant to highlight the fact that one might be better than the other. The fact is—tested or not—GSA is a superior plate design on all Tige hulls. That’s in my opinion I guess technically speaking, but is based on the opinion of several who have used both on the same boat and on mine having been a GSA owner.

But it is worth noting, is it a wholesale difference in wave quality? No. Is it a couple steps further up the mountain toward the ultimate wave? Yes.

Is it worth the money? Depends on how you value your money or how much of it you have, I guess.

Peace out!



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[chpthril]

I can’t remember, I was drinking and typing when I posted that. Probably not the best way to conduct forum life.

If you had zero innuendo built into “factory system tested on their hulls” and “universal aftermarket” then I apologize for the implied reference. Sure those are facts, but we were posting inside of context as well.

It sure kinda reads that way from South Dakota, but if it wasn’t meant to, no problem. I don’t know what point the comment would have if it wasn’t meant to highlight the fact that one might be better than the other. The fact is—tested or not—GSA is a superior plate design on all Tige hulls. That’s in my opinion I guess technically speaking, but is based on the opinion of several who have used both on the same boat and on mine having been a GSA owner.

But it is worth noting, is it a wholesale difference in wave quality? No. Is it a couple steps further up the mountain toward the ultimate wave? Yes.

Is it worth the money? Depends on how you value your money or how much of it you have, I guess.

Peace out!



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Point? Well, either has the potential of being better then the other, simply by changing one variable out of a dozen or so. The original question was regarding GSA on one hull, compared to TAPS-3 on another hull. So already we have a changed variable. That was the root of my post. Hard to make a comparison.

Tige designed the TAPS-3 plates, for Tiges, not malibu, centurion, mastercraft, etc. Are their plates perfect? Maybe not. Maybe they need hull specific plates. On the other hand, GSA designed their plates to achieve a goal of a great wave on ANY boat. Obviously they went the universal route, or they would have brand/model specific plate part numbers. Point proven if you look at the design of the Tige plates compared to the GSA plates. They are quite different. Stating the GSA is a universal system is not a slam in any way, simply a fact.

So yes, no innuendo there. if I felt one was better then the other in a given scenario, make no mistake, I state it clearly, not imply it between the lines.

There have been a number of posts where some have been misled that they could put TAPS-3 on their pre-TAPS-3 boats. They may get TAPS-3 like plates, but only trim tab style manual rocker switches. I believe ive been an advocate for GSA in there cases, rather then foax TAPS-3.

[dakota4ce]

Point? Well, either has the potential of being better then the other, simply by changing one variable out of a dozen or so. The original question was regarding GSA on one hull, compared to TAPS-3 on another hull. So already we have a changed variable. That was the root of my post. Hard to make a comparison.

Tige designed the TAPS-3 plates, for Tiges, not malibu, centurion, mastercraft, etc. Are their plates perfect? Maybe not. Maybe they need hull specific plates. On the other hand, GSA designed their plates to achieve a goal of a great wave on ANY boat. Obviously they went the universal route, or they would have brand/model specific plate part numbers. Point proven if you look at the design of the Tige plates compared to the GSA plates. They are quite different. Stating the GSA is a universal system is not a slam in any way, simply a fact.

So yes, no innuendo there. if I felt one was better then the other in a given scenario, make no mistake, I state it clearly, not imply it between the lines.

There have been a number of posts where some have been misled that they could put TAPS-3 on their pre-TAPS-3 boats. They may get TAPS-3 like plates, but only trim tab style manual rocker switches. I believe ive been an advocate for GSA in there cases, rather then foax TAPS-3.

Roger that! All square then.

GSA as a brand is growing significantly. Their plate is novel, patented and works very well.

I would definitely call TAPS3 generation one system. I bet we see some changes.

Should be fun to see what’s next. It all makes this sport/hobby better!


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[UNSTUCK]

Does it matter that MB is using GSA as stock surf equipment?

Personally I get the feeling that the specific shapes used by the various boat builders was their attempt to get in the surf game without getting into someone else’s patent. They all needed something that would mostly work and yet be different. The latter being the key.

[Bamer]

With Taps3, the plate opposite the surf side is deployed to list and Yaw the boat.... right?

Does GSA do the same? Looks like from pictures and my basic understanding of how surf waves are created that GSA deploys the tab on the surf side mostly just to put the boat in a Yaw (crab angle).


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[bsreid]

Bamer. They deploy on the opposite side same as any surf tab, suck gate, or even essentially listing. The main difference between the two is they don’t deploy nearly as far down which in trade gives better efficiency and more adjustability.

A buddy of mine just got them for his older z3 and I’m excited to see the results on how they work on that Hull. On the rzx they work pretty good, still need some more time to dial it in of course. Apparently I’m the only one who cares about adjusting the wave when it starts hailing on the boat.

[freeheel4life]

I can’t remember, I was drinking and typing when I posted that. Probably not the best way to conduct forum life.

^^^If drinking and getting my TO forum on while the wife is at work at night then ban me now.

[dakota4ce]

^^^If drinking and getting my TO forum on while the wife is at work at night then ban me now.

LOL I can’t remember my login unless I have a few.


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[dakota4ce]

Bamer. They deploy on the opposite side same as any surf tab, suck gate, or even essentially listing. The main difference between the two is they don’t deploy nearly as far down which in trade gives better efficiency and more adjustability.

A buddy of mine just got them for his older z3 and I’m excited to see the results on how they work on that Hull. On the rzx they work pretty good, still need some more time to dial it in of course. Apparently I’m the only one who cares about adjusting the wave when it starts hailing on the boat.

Hail never hurt anyone. Wait, maybe it has. Even killed people.

NEVERMIND.


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[toogrady1979]

I'll finish the sentence... you go to the Tige reunion on September 27-29 at Temple Bar Marina?

I like it!! I am really hoping I will make it this year. I can not commit to renting a camping spot, as my schedule is an unknown, but I am pushing hard to get the time off.


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[Jetdriver]

I’ll play devils advocate for a minute...mostly because I’m a cheap SOB
If you’re seriously thinking on upgrading to a new(er) boat in the next year or so I personally wouldn’t spend the money. Is GSA a cool system, absolutely, but for a couple hundred dollars you can slap a nice wake shaper on the side and ride a killer wave. For people that aren’t really taking advantage of transfers I just don’t see the glaringly obvious advantage to spending so much more money on a system that IMO is only adding a minor convenience in that you don’t have to apply and remove a shaper to the side of your boat.
I definitely like the adjustability that the TAPS 3 system brings to the table and Elevated is right on about the difference in the back of the wave. I’ve found the TAPS 3 waves I’ve ridden to be pretty flat towards the front and much more steep and curled in the back. You really end up riding it much further from the boat then boats with out TAPS 3.
Here is where I’m sure some will disagree with me. I prefer the wave my 2007 22VE with a shaper and slightly listed produces over the wave of my friends Z3 with TAPS 3. I’m not saying one is necessarily better than the other as it largely depends on preference but they are just different. Different shapes, steepness, feel, sweets spots, etc...if you only surf one boat than you’ll get used to it but hopping between a number of different hulls and systems you really tend to start comparing and contrasting.
Either way you go you really can’t go wrong and I’m sure you’ll get a that great wave your after, the only difference will be how much time you invest and money you spend to get there.

[UNSTUCK]

Jet, I hear ya. I'm that cheap SOB as well. I'm just about finished making my own GSA tabs to put on my RZX3. Basically the same, but with a few minor changes. I have been hearing great things about running GSA tabs on these boats vs taps 3, but can't stomach the prices, especially when I have capability and time to build my own stuff. I guess I'm lucky that I can build this stuff. But then again, I started doing this kind of stuff 14 years ago because I couldn't afford to have someone else do it for me! I'll do a write up on them in the next week or so once they are finished. Hope they work better than my last attempt at TAPS 21.

[freeheel4life]

I know Jet and UNSTUCK are aware, but for toogrady and anyone else is into modding their boats, head on over to wakegarage. Great resource, good peeps, and super awesome!! It's the DIY place to be.

[Germaine Marine]

I’ll play devils advocate for a minute...mostly because I’m a cheap SOB
If you’re seriously thinking on upgrading to a new(er) boat in the next year or so I personally wouldn’t spend the money. Is GSA a cool system, absolutely, but for a couple hundred dollars you can slap a nice wake shaper on the side and ride a killer wave. For people that aren’t really taking advantage of transfers I just don’t see the glaringly obvious advantage to spending so much more money on a system that IMO is only adding a minor convenience in that you don’t have to apply and remove a shaper to the side of your boat.
I definitely like the adjustability that the TAPS 3 system brings to the table and Elevated is right on about the difference in the back of the wave. I’ve found the TAPS 3 waves I’ve ridden to be pretty flat towards the front and much more steep and curled in the back. You really end up riding it much further from the boat then boats with out TAPS 3.
Here is where I’m sure some will disagree with me. I prefer the wave my 2007 22VE with a shaper and slightly listed produces over the wave of my friends Z3 with TAPS 3. I’m not saying one is necessarily better than the other as it largely depends on preference but they are just different. Different shapes, steepness, feel, sweets spots, etc...if you only surf one boat than you’ll get used to it but hopping between a number of different hulls and systems you really tend to start comparing and contrasting.
Either way you go you really can’t go wrong and I’m sure you’ll get a that great wave your after, the only difference will be how much time you invest and money you spend to get there.

Totally.


I think you can get way more with less in regards to a shaper. Why? Because a shaper isn’t leveraging any part of the hull back out of the water. Slap it on and you are delaying without any net loss in weight. Exactly like surf gate. On demos, you can clearly see a height difference in taps 3 vs surf gate in the front and it’s exactly because of this reason. You have fo be willing to get it past that tipping point where the weight holds the rear end of the boat down regardless of some plate input.

Taps 3, Gsa needs an absolute monster amount of weight to wake up. If you aren’t willing to go off the deep end in terms of weight with that system then a shaper is absolutely the right call.

Now, if you are willing to slam an extra 12-1400 in the the rear of a z etc, you won’t be disappointed in any facet at all IMO.




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