Motivated newbs looking for help!

[Aspidaso]

So fiancé and I saw some wake surfing videos this past winter and with the crossover that 50 yr old threshold (me not her) been looking for a low impact sport and we both decided to go for it. Sold my supra DD and picked up a 2004 22v limited, low hours and good price.

So we think the wave is pretty darn good (opinion only) and have been out 10+ plus times so far and love it and here is the "but" we just cannot "get it" She can ride with slack all day long but it is right off the back of the boat, I'm a little further back but seems really close and we have to move our feet positioning very far fwd on the board to feel the "push".

We now understand the shifting of your wgt to slow down and speed up but it seems we wash out so fast after dropping the rope or we are so close to the boat we bail.

The wave visually looks pretty darn good compared to most videos we watch.

1200 surfside rear locker, 300 under surfside seat.
600-900 in bow
typically ill put 200 to 400 in non surfside rear locker to clean up the wave.
Passengers (surf friendly) sit in surfside corner, not so surf friendly sit up front.
I am 230#
She is 180#
We are using a LF fish 5'6" (I know I know)
Speed on GPS is 11.2 to 11.7 and taps around 2-3.
Wave looks powerful and clean with a nice curl about 20 ft back.
We have read and watched so many threads and videos on technique and weighting boat, read many where people our size using same board can cruise ropeless on much smaller/weaker looking waves.

We play at Brookville lake in Indiana so we know depth is not an issue and 1 day I was too friendly with the refreshments and gave up driving duty and just surfed, next thing I knew I was back in the wave having a grand time ropeless (albeit for a minute at a time cause of getting cocky) but I "felt it", now I cannot for the life of me figure out what I did different.

Again, it seems we have to be right off the swim deck to get "push", I lean towards our technique is just not right she thinks it is the board cant be ridden ropeless, maybe it is too big.

Any tips/help directions would be greatly appreciated! We are going to brave the storms this weekend and try again so if there is any members from that area that want to burn our gas and drink some free beer we would love some company and instruction!

PS no board shops that I know of local we can rent and try other boards.

Thanks, Eric and Julie

Screen grab of wave. She is around 5'10" and rope is 20 ft.
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[gumby]

So you are you listing the boat? 11.7 seams fast for that boat 10.9 on my buddies 05 22v BUT he is not listed. he is 1000, 1000, 750 ,shaper. killer wave. We have riders 250 ish he rides a Ronix 51" board.skim style. (it looks so small under him) just a thought slow the boat down a hair get a faster board. Just my thoughts.

To bad you are 5.5 hours away from Nashville. I like free beer!!!!

[dukesofhazzard]

If it’s like the ve seems like too much bow weight. 400lbs most I have in bow maybe a couple kids or 1 adult. Again if listing and like the ve no offside weight other than bow sac. I never go under 11 and up to 12. But somewhere in between is good. Again not sure how diff hull of ve is vs v

[UNSTUCK]

I think you figured out your own answer. Don't surf sober.

[Aspidaso]

Yes listing, we tried with a suck gate (home made) but felt the list was better, we are all regular, well except the son but he is to "cool" to hang with us old folks.

I will slow down, just seemed there was no length to the wave at slower speeds.... and maybe it is all perspective when see pics of similar weighted boats with mile long waves.

5.5 hrs aint bad, especially for free beer

[Aspidaso]

I think you figured out your own answer. Don't surf sober.

You win the "the best answer" now that I've taught the better half to dock the boat and put back on the trailer I can do that!

[Aspidaso]

If it’s like the ve seems like too much bow weight. 400lbs most I have in bow maybe a couple kids or 1 adult. Again if listing and like the ve no offside weight other than bow sac. I never go under 11 and up to 12. But somewhere in between is good. Again not sure how diff hull of ve is vs v

Pardon the dumb question but just want to clarify... 400 + a couple of kids or 1 adult in bow?

[gumby]

I just don't have enough experience with that hull listed. So disregard any thing I said before about speed and such.

I do know 12 years ago I learned to surf behind my 1986 supra comp before suck gates all the jaz. sweet spot was about 4-6 foot long. If that is possible. The boat you have all the weight you have just keep on it.you will figure it out.
That wave is nice. Just Practice.... A faster board would not hurt.

[sandm]

no experience with that hull but if it was me I'd drop a few pounds in the nose and slow down a tad. my 22ve liked 12.4 to 12.6 but my supra liked 10.5 to 10.8.
everyone told me that tige's don't like a ton of nose weight and I found that to be the truth in several tiges I have been on.

[Torch]

I don’t think she is trying to surf in that picture, I am assuming just got up but tip of board needs to be way right of where it is. Think about knees and toes into the wave. Sometimes helps to reach for the wave with right hand as that almost forces the board to turn inward with tip almost facing right rear of boat. From point of view of that picture you should basically not see the surfers right leg. Her hips are to open in the picture.

[chpthril]

Wave looks great. DO you know someone that surfs that going go out with you and offer some tips on stance and form? In the shot about, rope is too long. Rider looks to be all heels and on the brakes. Need to be forward about a 5 feet and get into the pocket, get weight on the balls of their feet and off the back foot. Get the shoulder parallel with the board. Also, fix your eye on the lift eye on the transom.

[dukesofhazzard]

I can have 1 adult and a couple kids in the bow if they so choose to sit up there, ie wife loves to sit up there, can't really tell her not to. But I would not have 700lbs and people that's for sure. There are lots of threads and again cant say for sure cause I don't know how diff the hull of the v vs ve is, but if listing my boat likes the 400 front full, surf side under floor full 250lbs, custom ve surf sac rear locker full 1200lbs and then I throw a 400lb on the surf side seat as close to back of boat as possible. taps at 3-4, speed 11-12 for all adults and maybe a touch slower for a few kids that try, mine are always at 11mph. good clean wake. I have trying with a suck gate to see what works, BCRIDER has found full list with a gate he likes, I have been trying all factory full both rears 250, front 400 surf side rear locker full 1000-1200 and off side prob about 500, I have tried everything full with the suc gate I get a wicked line in the middle of the wave. The suc gate makes the wave a little more rounded, but way longer and you can def go wider out the side of the boat. These setups are pretty standard for the ve less some guys use no bow weight. I am really playing around with gates right now as I want to see if there is much diff with design, size etc. I did find if I move the gate so that the paddle is about 8-12" from the back of the boat I don't get a terrible spray. Its also as low as I can put it.

that wave looks plenty surfable, once you get wave, technique wins, I think you are pretty dialed in for the wave when I reread just maybe less bow weight, try more weight on the toes of both feet, maybe move your toes closer to the edge of the board closest to the wave. Is your back foot at the very back of the board, if so try moving it a couple inches closer to the front. These little things make all the diff in the world when you are starting.

[cbath]

I started with a liquid force fish as well.... could not ride it rope less for the life of me. Upgraded to a better board that was built for my height and weight and BAM! Rope less the first time up. After some time and practice I can now ride the LF Fish rope less all day. I think for her, that board is going to be too big and bulky. For you, I think it is going to be to slow. With that height and weight difference, your each going to need a different board. Then technique is going to be able to work on when you’re not fighting the board. Also, I find it’s easier for newb’s to start at a slower speed, you won’t have the length, but you also won’t need the brakes as much and can find foot positioning and weight placement easier throughout the wave. As you get better, speed it up and get firmness and length to the wave and go for that 360! Best of luck, even riding with the rope beats working [emoji12]


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[chpthril]

1200 surfside rear locker, 300 under surfside seat.
600-900 in bow

What are you using to get 1200 in the locker and 600-900 in the bow?

[topaz surfer]

It sounds like you have a good amount of weight to get a good wave going. I have a 2003 22V and I run 1500-1600 lbs in the surf side rear and no off side weight and about 1100lbs in the bow and Taps around 4-5 speed around 11.5 11.7. That boat will make a really nice wave once you get your set up figured out. You might try more Taps to get a bit steeper of a wave and a little more push, then use either more bow weight or speed up to get more length in the wave. I don't remember how to find my old post but if you look you may find more info and pics of mine. You might also try a few different boards and fins can make a big difference.