New to Surfing...need some advice...

[MJO21]

Our second time out....We got up okay. We are looking for some advice on how to get ropeless.
Speed Set is at 10mph... We have absolutely no experience.



https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...y+surf+5-28-18

[smoothtoup]

Probably need to stay up with the rope first.

That looks faster than 10mph. My surf sweet spot is between 10.8 and 11.5, 2018 R23.

[dj2]

Tell us more about your setup- boat, ballast, any surf gate type devices? That does look faster than 10mph but hard to tell for sure from a video, were you on GPS or boat speedo?

[MJO21]

'13 z3
I am pretty sure Speed set was at 10mph--it is the factory set surf speed, boat is not here for me to check.... No.gps
Front tanks were full, back passenger tank was about 75%. Back drivers tank will not fill? I stood in the middle to take weight off the drivers side, then we had only 2 more people on the passenger side...

Taps was at 3.

[Frosty_Power]

Looks like a great start so far. I'd add a suck gate and fill all bags full, then drive and dump water until you hit you set speed, play with the taps to your liking(steep or mild) - I've got a '13 Z1. Lean your body a little forward on the board and try and stay in the pocket(you will figure out where that is with more practice). Get some slack in the rope and your good to go.

Looks great for the 2nd time out and no experience. You will have it down pat in no time.

[007]

Where are you surfing at? That stretch looks amazingly like a place I surf on my home lake!

Quite a few things to address (assuming NO suckgate...so my advice is different than Frosty's):
1. I agree with others that it looks faster than 10, but it may be the camera angle.
2. I personally think 10 is too slow, but lets work on some other things first.
3. Work on the slack in the rope and balance first as others have said. Everyone wants to go ropeless before they are ready!
4. You were driving over some wakes...those can dump experienced riders.
5. Is your rider a wakebaorder? The number one thing I see new riders do wrong, especially males, is that they try to ride with an "Open stance" or front should pointing way from the boat and their chest kinda parallel with the transom. If they do that and lean back on the rope (ala wakeboarding), they will never get ropeless, or at least not for long. Once they have the balance down, drop that front shoulder down and toward the wake. You'll gain more speed and stay in the pocket easier that way!
6. You mentioned your rear starboard was not filling. Most likely a bubble in the line. I'm not sure if yours is routed the same way, but if you open the engin compartment, you may see a few ballast hoses running up the front wall of the compartment. With the motor off so you can hear and the pump on, knock the gray anti siphon valve against the bulk head a few times and see if it opens up. This is assuming your pump is working and your valve is open for the inlet at the bottom of the boat. You'll hear the difference in water flow if it just needed to be burped.
7. If you get that working, great! But don't use it for now! Your boat mostly like wants way more ballast than came stock, at least my 14 did. Get that rear portside full, your front port side full, your two guest in the rear corner surf side and go from there. Offside weight is important, but it can reduce roll, cause too much pitch and make your wake too frothy if you have too much.
8. If you have a "level" app on your phone, set is on your dashboard. You probably can't get the incline (9-11 degrees is a good starting point), but you can see roll. I'm betting you are only rolling a few degrees. With more weight and more roll...say 5-6 list while running, your rider will have more push and a better wave.
9. If you have weight and lean down, I like to start new riders, especially smaller ones, at Tap's 2 just to get the feel for it. Without the weight though, you might need Taps 3-4 to try and overcome.
10. Once everything else is corrected, you will be constantly on a mission for a bigger wave! That's when you'll use that offside bag more and speed up. We are now surfing in the 12-13 range. I start new riders about 10.8. If you have everything else down, you may find the pocket too short and too steep at 10.

[NICKYPOO]

Certainly get any ballast issues solved but, there’s no reason that wake can’t be surfed. You need to become better surfers. You should pick up an INDO board, or any balance board. They are great for learning good body position for wake surfing. The biggest issue newbies seem to have is body position and how to use it to control speed on the wake. Knees together! They don’t have to touch but they need to be in, not out. Do not bend over or lean forward in an effort to gain speed. People tend to do that a lot. It’s instinct, but it’s completely wrong. You slide your hips forward and back to control speed. Your head should always be over your hips and between your feet. If your head is hanging out over your front foot, you’ll have zero ability to control your speed. Just for practice, stand with your feet just outside your shoulders. Bring your knees “in” and slide your hips from foot to foot. This is the position and motion that will get you surfing.

[cnote]

depending on if you have extra aft ballast, my suggestion would be to lose the bow weight. start with taps at 5 and speed around 10.6. also, without taps 3 plates you need a suck gate or you need to list the boat to the surf side. you can play with taps and speed a little but imo the biggest factor for that hull is bow-aft weight ratio; about 3.5 or 4:1 (in favor of aft ballast) seems to be the sweet spot for a massive swell, plenty of push and more than enough height for a beginner. though a smaller ratio should do the trick.

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