Contest scoring

[tony dunn jr.]

P.S. Those guys saying the int. sucks or whatever are the same ones saying Tige' sucks so who needs them anyways!

[Surfdad]

Ok folks, I've started work on the preliminary trick list with point assignments. I'd appreciate any and all feedback, keeping in mind this is only a partial list and it's VERY tentative. Is there any glaring omission? Am I all wet? Thanks

Novice Tricks

Stand on board with handle 45
Ride with one hand on handle 45
Adjust board shorts 60
Drop handle and surf (3 seconds) 80
Wave to Judges 100
Bottom turn 200
Top Turn 250

Intermediate Tricks - no points while holding handle

Adjust board shorts 60
Drop handle and surf (3 seconds) 80
Wave to Judges 100
Crouch 150
Crouch and touch rear knee to board 200
Bottom turn 200
Top Turn 250
Lip Slide - board slides sideways on wake crest 350

Touch water in combination with any of the above - ADD 100
Grab board in combination with any of the above - ADD 150

[zany]

I have never wakesurfed but I guess I should start, because I got the "Adjust Boardshort" down in Watersking & Wakeboarding.

[Surfdad]

You've got at LEAST 105 points then! This PART of the list is just for those starting out. We wanted to encourage the younger kids - 8 and under - and give them the ability to actually score some points. The folks at the INT League create divisions such that everyone has a chance to compete on equal footing...we are trying to match that to make integration of the list feel seamless.

I haven't started working on the harder part of the list for the advanced riders - that will probably take me a month or so.

[dogbert]

How much for catching a soda, opening it and drinking while not holding onto the handle?

[Carter13]

A beer is twice as many points as a soda.

[dogbert]

Originally posted by Carter13
A beer is twice as many points as a soda.

My kids are underaged

[Surfdad]

You only score points if you catch the can/bottle while facing backwards over your shoulder. C'mon folks...I KNOW there has to be SOMEONE out there with ideas or concerns...some good ideas or that sees a glaring error? Won't you post, please?

[knelems]

Scores

Hi Jeff,
I think that looks great what you have listed. I finally got my niece and some other kiddos going without the rope on the Walker board, everyone has determined it really is the superior board than the other two I have. I need to send some more photos of the kiddos surfing.
I still want you to come and give a demo for our local INT people, I hate we couldn't work it out this summer since our schools have already started back but definately next summer.
Karen

[dogbert]

Originally posted by Surfdad
You only score points if you catch the can/bottle while facing backwards over your shoulder. C'mon folks...I KNOW there has to be SOMEONE out there with ideas or concerns...some good ideas or that sees a glaring error? Won't you post, please?

Sorry, I got carried away with the shorts tucking and the waving

Seriously, it would help to know some of the more advanced tricks and how they would score. What you've got now looks good so far.

For example, here's what Larry Mann has posted on his website, www.howtowakesurf.com. Some tricks you have points for, but the more difficult ones would also need to be assigned point values. It would help to get some feedback from some of the more experienced riders to determine the point value.

Pumping - turning up and down the face of the wake to gain speed.
Stalling - Applying pressure to your back foot to slow down or "stall".
Floater - When a rider and board "floats" on top of the wake.
Lip slide (350 pts) - Just like a floater but the board is sideways.
Spray (200-250 pts, depending on top or bottom)- gouging into the face of the wake to create the water under you to explode and spray.
Fire Hydrant - Placing one hand on the board and taking your front foot off.
Posing (60-200 pts, depending on pose) - doing hand and body positions while riding for cool style points.
Hang 5 - Rider extends front foot (toes) over front of board.
Rail Grabs - Grabbing the board's rail while the board is on the wake - one or both hands.
Cutbacks - Bashing off the lip of the wake with the board - the more extreme and risky the better.
Paddle back in - Going to the extreme rear of the wake, throwing down on the board and paddling back in to the power zone. This can also be done by pulling the outside rail of the board to bring it back to the power zone.
Tubing It - Throwing down on the board and sliding back into the tube until covered up - the deeper the better, and then popping out and standing back up on the board. Not sure this is possible on all boards.
Switch Stance -Riding with the opposite foot forward.
180 Spin - Spinning 180 on the wake - Board and rider spin. A blind turn is more difficult.
Airs- Launching off the lip with board into the air and landing back on the wake (toeside or heelside).
One Hand Grab Air - Grabbing one rail of the board while the board is airborne above the wake.
Double Grab Air - Grabbing both rails of the board while the board is airborne above the wake.
Hang 10 - Rider extends both feet (toes) over end of board.
360 Spin - Spinning 360 on the face of the wake - Board and rider spin.
540 Spin - Rider spins continuously 1 1/2 times until he is riding switch stance forward.
720 Spin - Rider spins continuously 2 complete 360's.
Alley Oop Air 180 - doing an air while spinning 180 the blind direction.
180 Air - doing and air and spinning a 180 in the air and landing in with a switch stance.
180 Shuv-it - spinning just the board 180 under your feet and landing with the board "backwards".
900 Spin - Rider spins continuously 2 1/2 times until he is riding switch stance forward.
360 Shuv-it - same as a 180 but you spin the board a full 360 under your feet. NOTE: rider does not spin only the board spins.
Big Spin - Same as a 360 shuv-it only the rider spins a 180 at the same time the board does a 360.

[Surfdad]

Hay again Karen,

We'd love to come out and talk to your INT League folks. In fact, maybe you and I can start preliminary talks. We are trying to put together a nationwide tour of wakesurfing contests and clinics. Maybe AL would be a good place to bring that tour?

Dogbert, thanks for the list. Just so that everyone is clear, Larry isn't responsible for the creation of that list. He was one of the founding members of the, now defunct, World Wakesurfing Association and that entity was responsible for the development of the list you posted.

The trick list for the advanced section will be more difficult as I'm probably going to have to separate it into surf and skim. My NEXT problem is that I had one rider at the last NorCal Stop combine both boards. She did a prone transfer from a Shred Stixx to a Phase 5.

Anyway, the point values aren't really a big issue, we'll just list them in order of difficulty and increment the assigned points. The BIGGER issues, quite frankly is the acceptance of the system. If you read the thread over at WW you can see there is resistance merely because it's different, and for no other legitimate reason.

Anyway, thanks for the input both of you.

[Tequilasun]

Originally posted by Surfdad
Ok folks, I've started work on the preliminary trick list with point assignments. I'd appreciate any and all feedback, keeping in mind this is only a partial list and it's VERY tentative. Is there any glaring omission? Am I all wet? Thanks

Novice Tricks

Stand on board with handle 45
Ride with one hand on handle 45
Adjust board shorts 60
Drop handle and surf (3 seconds) 80
Wave to Judges 100
Bottom turn 200
Top Turn 250

Intermediate Tricks - no points while holding handle

Adjust board shorts 60
Drop handle and surf (3 seconds) 80
Wave to Judges 100
Crouch 150
Crouch and touch rear knee to board 200
Bottom turn 200
Top Turn 250
Lip Slide - board slides sideways on wake crest 350

Touch water in combination with any of the above - ADD 100
Grab board in combination with any of the above - ADD 150

I think you have an excellent start here.

What about swimstep starts, will that be a "trick"?

It looks to me like you might have the top and Bottom turns valued a bit high, maybe not though. Would that be just slashing the wake, or making a pronounced turn?

How many tricks are you allowed per run?

Looks really good though....you're a brave man to take this on Jeff

[Surfdad]

We probably can't include swimstep starts as a trick as the activity is illegal in a variety of states that have adopted the NASBLA model law language regarding CO poisioning. Further, I do believe that ALL of the sanctioning bodies require that the boat be off when someone is on the swimstep for insurance purposes.

I am undecided yet on the number of tricks per run. The rest of the group is leaving it up to me - then they absolve themselves of all the lashing out I think that it needs to be a factor of the length of the course. Do you have any thoughts on this?

On the turns...I invisioned providing something that the little rippers can do and practice outside of the contests. I would think it would be smaller turns for the little folks and bigger more pronounced turns for the more experienced riders.

Do you think it's bravery or fool-hardiness?

Thanks for the input.

[Tequilasun]

Here's a couple I thought of this morning:

Crossing the spine
Riding Backside
Riding Switch
Switch Backside

These all sort of come about as you do advanced tricks, but simple riding Switch, or backside might be a good trick for the beginnner/intermediate level.

I'm also assuming that you are thinking of these tricks on a Goofy/regular basis, where you weight the boat one way for the goofies, and the other for the Regulars. So Crossing the spine becomes a much more difficult trick if you have to go from the "bad side" to your strong side of the wake. *now that's about as clear as mud, let me know if I need to explain myself better*

[Tequilasun]

Originally posted by Surfdad


I am undecided yet on the number of tricks per run. The rest of the group is leaving it up to me - then they absolve themselves of all the lashing out I think that it needs to be a factor of the length of the course. Do you have any thoughts on this?


Thanks for the input.

6-10 tricks per run seems about right to me.
I think simply from a "stoke" perspective, it would be cool if the little rippers and beginners could score over 1000 pts on their runs. It just sounds better to tell your friends I got 1000 points man! Most won't care if the advanced winner gets 5k.


Plus hopefully limiting the # of tricks will keep the advanced riders from just throwing the same trick over and over again, and get them to think about how they want to "structure" their runs. Style points would help with this also.