Contest scoring

[NICKYPOO]

Originally posted by Surfdad
The reality of life is that it exists. Accept defeat gracefully in public and bemoan the bums privately

Can I borrow that for a little while?

I see your dilemma with the points and why they need to change now. Question is, what are you looking for? Seems to me that you've got it figured out. The only thing left would be assigning point values to tricks?
I'd love to help with that. If we had a list along with a maximum and minimum point value, we could hash out what we think each trick should be worth. Bring it on.

I can't speak for anyone else, but the fact the one guy who is really trying to bring an entire sport into a national light is coming to us to ask for input is awesome. It's like being an uncle to a newborn. I feel like I've been there from the begining already. Who knows what it'll be in ten years. Look at wakeboarding. Thanks Dad!

[dogbert]

Let me know if you guys want to start a site about this.

[Surfdad]

Hey Nick,

My purpose in posting here was to get valid input. Sometimes within WW or WB I get non-credible folks hijacking the thread basically saying - INT League SUCKS! or whatever, without expounding further. That isn't helpful. Further the annonymity afforded the national forums allows employees of boat companies or other organizations to post without specifically saying: Oh I work for BoatCoX and BoatCoY OWNS Int League which isn't true but I have an agenda. If you lurk in the boat forums you can almost pick out the employees representing their employer.

What I am STILL wrestling with is to codify or not. The majority of INT League sports have a trick list, however, wakeskating doesn't. I believe the reason it doesn't is that no one has made an effort to codify the trick list, as opposed to the propaganda that is promulgated: "the sport is TOO YOUNG and TOO DYNAMIC to codify". IMO the lack of a trick list is because no one wants to do it, maintain it AND no one wants to deal with the complaints!

So far, I haven't heard a valid reason NOT to codify - you proposed the same basic system we are using now, but that still doesn't address the consistency issues.

So...what I am hearing, is I need to adjust the system of scoring to fit into the organization I am asking to ADD the discipline of wakesurfing. Am I correct in that conclusion? When in Rome, do as the Romans?

BTW, I do want to thank everyone for their time and consideration, and hope I'll get additional feedback, or arguments contrary that are meaningful.

Dogbert, I'm not sure I understand what you are proposing about the site, clarification please.

[dogbert]

Originally posted by Surfdad

So...what I am hearing, is I need to adjust the system of scoring to fit into the organization I am asking to ADD the discipline of wakesurfing. Am I correct in that conclusion? When in Rome, do as the Romans?

BTW, I do want to thank everyone for their time and consideration, and hope I'll get additional feedback, or arguments contrary that are meaningful.

Dogbert, I'm not sure I understand what you are proposing about the site, clarification please.

You are correct. As for the site, I've done quite a bit of work getting things hosted and launched as has my wife. I was just offering to help if you were looking to start a site for the sport or a place to get the codification sorted out.

[Tequilasun]

Originally posted by Surfdad


The majority of INT League sports have a trick list, however wakeskating does not.


Am I correct in that conclusion? When in Rome, do as the Romans?

Couple of things:

Wakeskating is a "young" sport, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't have a scorable trick list in INT. I think your dead on about no one wanting to put the work/headache in to do it.

Also wakeskating draws from a slightly different audience then Wakeboarding. More your free skating crowd. I think Wakeskating values "style" over the number of tricks or difficulty of tricks in a run.

I can also see this aspect in Surfing. While hitting big spins, and the like may be the way to win at an INT tourney, there is a certain aspect of "style and flow" that I, personally, value more than stomping tricks.

But having said that:

INT has been doing things they way they do them for a long time, and they seem to do it well. So I say Do as the Roman Did, and continue to do.

[Tequilasun]

Ok, I just went and read the Int rules and scoring procedures.

I like the way Wakeboarding is set up now, although I couldn't figure out how much the "style" points are worth, or how much they might add to your trick score.

I didn't realize they had added style to the point system. Is that new, or have I just never payed attention?

http://www.intleague.com/

[NICKYPOO]

So we all agree that you should codify the tricks. However, as a rider, I would like to see at least some consideration of style in a riders performance. I've always appreciated style over technical. Don't get me wrong, tech is the basis for all board sports "scoring". Without it, you have no tricks. It's what advances the sport. The rider who can incorporate great tech with a dash of original style will always surpass pure tech prowess in my book. Surfing is such a beautiful thing to watch when someone is in the zone and they are seemlessly linking one move to the next. I just don't want to see the Zen side of the sport lost to outright tech.

While this may be an extreme black and white way to present this view, I just feel it needs to brought up.

Let me put my safety glasses on annnnnnnnd...begin stoning.

[Surfdad]

I am not an expert on INT League matters, my first involvement with them as been this year. Any INT League Historians out there?

This style component allows some subjectivity within the scoring, while also making it consistent between locations. For example if we determined that a surface 360 with a hand drag was an Advanced Division trick worth 850 points, it would be the same in FL and CA, the style interpretation would be the only variable.

[NICKYPOO]

Originally posted by Tequilasun
Ok, I just went and read the Int rules and scoring procedures.

I like the way Wakeboarding is set up now, although I couldn't figure out how much the "style" points are worth, or how much they might add to your trick score.

I didn't realize they had added style to the point system. Is that new, or have I just never payed attention?

http://www.intleague.com/

Oh, well, there you go. Surfdad, I believe it was you that said, "don't reinvent the wheel" wasn't it? I forsee the headache of a trick list in your future.

[Surfdad]

The AWSA has...shoot, at least 4 members on the board of directors that have site development experience, I'll need to give them first right of refusal. Thnaks for the offer to develop a web presence, I'll keep it in mind.

Yeah, Nick, it looks like I'll be developing the entire judging document, inclusive of a trick list with pictures!

If it kills me, in the process, it was nice knowing all of you!

[Tequilasun]

Pictures or illustrations? It will be hard to document the more dynamic tricks in photos or illustrations for that matter. I don't envy that process.

Good luck.

[Surfdad]

Shoot and I was planning on hitting you up for that part!

[dogbert]

Originally posted by Surfdad
Shoot and I was planning on hitting you up for that part!

I think you should hold out for live video!

[Tequilasun]

Originally posted by Surfdad
Shoot and I was planning on hitting you up for that part!

I could be the model!!

Every pic series of video would be "now what he should have done is...."


I'd get the points for Wave to someone, adjust board shorts, cross the crest, and maybe a 360 if the stars are all in line!

[tony dunn jr.]

Hey surfdad keep doing what you are doing! When something is new there will always be changes and improvements as you go. So just keep up the good work!!