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    #61
    The various trick boardz are an interesting design. The concave bottom offers greater surface area in the same length/width dimensions than a conventional flat board. Also, like the modern shortboard surfboard, they are sensitive to weight variations and folks that exceed the weight recommendations find the boards to be sticky.

    While dogbert is correct, the trick boardz are faster than most of the molded boards, they tend to be slower than an equivalently sized skimboard or foam and glass board. The big draw for the Trick Boards is that they are NOT directional, so 180 degree surface spins (and multiples thereof) are possible. Further they fit in any rack, are exceptionally sturdy and Larry does offer a great return policy.

    The down side, IMO, is that the design restricts aerial tricks - shuv-its, ollies off the lip, etc. The tip is more narrow than a pintail, like on a skim style board such as the Phase 5, Vic, Calibrated or the new 4 skim. This provides a greater amount of stability, but you have to be pretty accomplished to catch air with the board.

    Also, most folks are simply not good at riding backside switch and so the draw of a twin tip doesn't really play out in practice. When was the last time anyone on your boat rode backside switch for a considerable period of time?

    I am a glass and foam advocate. Personally I think they offer tremendous performace advantages over other boards. The downside though, is that they can't handle the rough treatment that is considered acceptable on a boat. They don't fit in standard board racks and the deeper fins limit rotational moves, like a shuv-it. Also they are expensive. I am fortunate in that James has a board sponsor and I am able to make prototypes in the garage...if this were not the case, I would have spend upwards of $6,000 on boards last year!!!!

    In the glass an foam arena, I personally think that Shred Stixx and XBC have the best stock boards available. Jerry Price of Shred Stixx is probably the most knowledgable manufacturer out there.

    I personally own a Shred Stixx Ja Mako that I use for small mushy wakes, but I have also been able to surf that board at speeds in excess of 15mph. That sort of surfing simply isn't possible on a skimboard or trick boardz product.

    The Inland Surfer folks offer some nice boards. The are a good compromise in durability and performance. They can be handled a bit more roughly, but still offer a good amount of speed and manuverability. The come in stock sizes, so you can pick one up rather quickly.

    Then of course if you want to perform skate style tricks, there are a number of good skim style boards. I prefer the Vic to the Phase 5, and I prefer the Calibrated pro model to all. Jaime Lovett will be riding that at the World's this year, it wouldn't surprize me if he wins.

    My 2 cents
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      #62
      Surfdad to the Rescue!
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        #63
        Ballast

        Surdad,

        I have to give you many thanks for your info you've been posting... I think we have a good understanding of how to weight our boat now.... we were trying to get the wake as tall as possible by putting everybody in the back corner, however after this weekend we found that if we put someone in the front it gives you "more room to play" as my wife says. The wake height came down about 8 inches, but lengthened the wake by about 4-5 feet.
        I was finally able to freeride this weekend... I put my wakeboard away and totally concentrated on surfing, and now I can actually surf. Both me and my wife are geeked up about surfing.

        Again, thanks a bunch for your words of wisdom.... Now we have to find some fellow surfers in the area to learn some surfing skills... riding switch, heelside, tricks, etc.

        Steve

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          #64
          Oh yeah,

          Also, I do have to give props to Tige, we really didn't have to do much as far as ballast setup to get a good surfing wake... I have about 150 lbs on my swim platform, and a couple people in the boat, and set Taps between 2-4 to clean up the face of the wake.
          Can't wait to see how some ballast bags will do... may have to be a Xmas present to ourselves. Is the consensus that Fat Sacs are the best setup with a Tsunami pump?

          Steve

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            #65
            Originally posted by sagmanaur
            Oh yeah,

            Also, I do have to give props to Tige, we really didn't have to do much as far as ballast setup to get a good surfing wake... I have about 150 lbs on my swim platform, and a couple people in the boat, and set Taps between 2-4 to clean up the face of the wake.
            Can't wait to see how some ballast bags will do... may have to be a Xmas present to ourselves. Is the consensus that Fat Sacs are the best setup with a Tsunami pump?

            Steve
            You might try Launch Pad products with their link system. All the fittings are quick connect and once disconnected don't leak like some other quick connect systems. I have a Flying High wrap-around bow sac and that's one thing I don't like about it...it's impossible not to leak water into your storage compartment.
            Cursed by a fortune cookie: "Your principles mean more to you than any money or success."

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              #66
              Thanks for the props. I personally like the sacs from Fly High - Fat Sac's. I've had some custom ones made that simply didn't last. The Fat Sac is quite tough and resitant to abrasion and piercing. I also had them make me up a custom sac - similar in nature to their Enzo Sac. It was a bit pricey, but fits like a glove and duplicated the exact weight distribution I had created using multiple sacs.

              I like the Tsunami pump also, but currently only carry one for emergency purposes. I bought a make-a-wake reversible positive displacement pump and use that to fill and drain. It has a flow rate, I've been told by the manufacturer, of approximately 1,5000 gph. We can fill the custom sac, which holds approximately 1,300 pounds, or roughly 160 gallons of water in about 7-10 minutes. It empties a bit quicker, because it isn't pulling as high to discharge.

              The biggest thing with the make-a-wake pump is that it's plumbed into the sac, so I don't have to throw anything overboard, connect and disconnect...just flip a switch and go.
              Buy my kid's board! http://www.flyboywakesurf.com

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                #67
                Yeah, a totally automatic setting is always better!
                Cursed by a fortune cookie: "Your principles mean more to you than any money or success."

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                  #68
                  I went with the rival system and up graded to the 725# sack and put the 200# sack on the side so both sacks are to the rear and then plumed a pump per sack then wired both pumps in series so I only have 3 swiches one to open & close the intake then one swich to pump or drain either side the wake is awesome Im very happy with the rival system it works well and its easy to use

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                    #69
                    Yeah, I've heard good things about the Rival system and TallTigeGuy did a nice job detailing the install. I just didn't like all the moving parts. I have 1 three position switch: up to fill, middle is off and down to empty. With a positive displacement pump I don't have to worry about an RV wastegate value to shut off and I really prefer a single switch, single pump to do the whole job...less things to go wrong, IMO.
                    Buy my kid's board! http://www.flyboywakesurf.com

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Surfdad
                      Yeah, I've heard good things about the Rival system and TallTigeGuy did a nice job detailing the install. I just didn't like all the moving parts. I have 1 three position switch: up to fill, middle is off and down to empty. With a positive displacement pump I don't have to worry about an RV wastegate value to shut off and I really prefer a single switch, single pump to do the whole job...less things to go wrong, IMO.
                      Got any pics of the system?
                      Cursed by a fortune cookie: "Your principles mean more to you than any money or success."

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                        #71
                        Yeah, any info on the pump would be great.
                        You'll get your chance, smart guy.

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                          #72
                          The folks at Make-a-wake made me promise not to reveal their secret It's an industrial model Jabsco pump that they work some magic on.

                          http://make-a-wake.com

                          There isn't much to see on the system, it's a single pump with one hose leading to the seacock and thru hull, the other leading to the top of the bag. There is one hose on the top of the bag leading to a vent to prevent overfilling. I use a ball valve on the vent because the pressure wasn't enough to actuate a swing check valve.

                          Electrically it's just the one three position switch and two wires leading back to the pump.

                          These folks claim 1000 pounds in 8 minutes (or some such), which is pretty close to what I get on my system.
                          Buy my kid's board! http://www.flyboywakesurf.com

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                            #73
                            Hey DAD I talked to Larry at TrickBoardz abought a board for myself im 6'3 and 250 I got one for my girlfreind ( mojo reg) she's gettin pretty good and wanted a board she could push around a little more so weel se how that works out this weekend I surf a XBC fish chubby but also would like something smaller larry said I could get away with a Mojo XL? any feedback , also where do you get your coustom sacks made I a couple of generic sacks and would like a better fit Thanks

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                              #74
                              On the custom sac, I had the folks from Barefoot International - manufacturers of the Fly High Fat Sac make mine up. They don't advertise it, but if you given them a call and tell them you want a custom fat sac made, they'll ask for the dimensions and location(s) of valve threads...then give you a quote - be sitting down when you get that dollar amount

                              http://www.barefootinternational.com

                              On the Trick Boardz. You need to give yourself time to become acclimated to them. I've seen a ton of folks ride them once and give up. If you'll commit to riding them for a month or so you'll be hard pressed to find a board that is faster down the line. With the stock fins they are exceptionally loose. They are fitted with a hole pattern that will allow you to swap fins from your favorite wakeboard, which can alter the feel dramatically.

                              Aerial manuvers on any of the trick boards require a bunch of skill and I think most folks will be hard pressed to air any of them out. They do offer the ability to ride forward or backward, but...most folks have difficulty riding backside switch. As I've asked before - when was the last time you rode backside switch on your XBC? The potential is available on virtually any board, not just twin tips, and few folks ever try it.

                              Rail to rail responsiveness is slower on the Trick Boardz than say an XBC Grom, but it is certainly acceptable and is faster than the XBC Chubby.

                              I think the Trick Boardz are fun. I own...shoot...three of them and like their durability and ease of storage. Plus, if you want to REALLY test your skills, remove the fins. Great fun.
                              Buy my kid's board! http://www.flyboywakesurf.com

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by Surfdad
                                On the custom sac, I had the folks from Barefoot International - manufacturers of the Fly High Fat Sac make mine up. They don't advertise it, but if you given them a call and tell them you want a custom fat sac made, they'll ask for the dimensions and location(s) of valve threads...then give you a quote - be sitting down when you get that dollar amount

                                Come on, out with the amount! I just want a ballpark.
                                Cursed by a fortune cookie: "Your principles mean more to you than any money or success."

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