liquid force custom surfer

[MTtigekid]

well once again im in the market for a new surfer!! ive got an inland surfer black perl four skim and i like it but it takes either a huge wave or holding on to the rope the whole time to keep going!! sooooo im looking for something more boyant and the new liquid force custom surfers look to be that way..

has anyone surfed them??
if so what did you like?
and what other brands/ boards would you recomend?? (i would really like a walker but thats kind of out of my price range, but if someone had a used one that they wanted to get rid of i would consider it)

[Timmy!]

Have you tried adjusting the boat speed? What about changing fins? You should be able to use that board just fine I would think. Personally, I wouldn't move from an Inland to a Liquid Force/CWB/Hyperlite anything. Check out Walker Project, Phase V, etc before going "down" to those boards. What about trading someone for a different board too?

I would look at the list of mfr's on here:
https://generalstore.wakeoutlaws.com/wakesurfers.php

What style of riding are you wanting to do? Surfdad will chime in (hopefully) and he's pretty good about knowing the ins and outs of the various boards.

[jake's02-22i]

I have a custom 4.10 and I wouldnt get it if you already have a black perl and think that isnt boyant enough. You need something thicker and faster.

[jake's02-22i]

More Ballast

If you have a 24ve all you need is more ballast. lol

[MTtigekid]

Have you tried adjusting the boat speed? What about changing fins? You should be able to use that board just fine I would think. Personally, I wouldn't move from an Inland to a Liquid Force/CWB/Hyperlite anything. Check out Walker Project, Phase V, etc before going "down" to those boards. What about trading someone for a different board too?

I would look at the list of mfr's on here:
https://generalstore.wakeoutlaws.com/wakesurfers.php

What style of riding are you wanting to do? Surfdad will chime in (hopefully) and he's pretty good about knowing the ins and outs of the various boards.

boat speed- yes
fins- yes, both with the IS fins and some old hyperlite fins that fit in the holes on the board

i would like to get my hands on a walker or phase 5 because i hear their the ducks nuts but nobody up here carries them...
im looking to progress in tricks and can do 3's and some airs but i just cant stay in the pocket long enough to really get a good ride in

[MTtigekid]

I have a custom 4.10 and I wouldnt get it if you already have a black perl and think that isnt boyant enough. You need something thicker and faster.

what about the 5.6?? they seem bigger,, but that may just be me

If you have a 24ve all you need is more ballast. lol

weve got factory + an extra 900 in sacs

[Timmy!]

weve got factory + an extra 900 in sacs

You should be able to ride that board all day long with that setup! I know it's a skim and requires some extra work but man. Green Loogey would be a good choice, it's kind of a hybrid skim/surf and is pretty fast (I have a yellow).

[MTtigekid]

You should be able to ride that board all day long with that setup! I know it's a skim and requires some extra work but man. Green Loogey would be a good choice, it's kind of a hybrid skim/surf and is pretty fast (I have a yellow).

i have ridden the green and it is prety fast... and as for mine should i stick with the skim fins and just put like 2 on?? cause right now im rolling with one of the longer hyperlite fins

[Timmy!]

i have ridden the green and it is prety fast... and as for mine should i stick with the skim fins and just put like 2 on?? cause right now im rolling with one of the longer hyperlite fins

That is a surfdad question for certain! I would guess that you would want 2 large fins for speed. Can't that board take 4?

[MTtigekid]

That is a surfdad question for certain! I would guess that you would want 2 large fins for speed. Can't that board take 4?

it says its a "four" skim but mine only takes 3 fins.. with all 3 being long you can stand there and ride perty well but you cant turn for crap.. and with 1 skim fin you can spin all day but keeping up with the boat is a tuffy

[MTtigekid]

heres the beast

[Surfdad]

Lots of good comments in here. I always have to laugh at the Inland Surfer board names - it's the 'fore skim' Not a reference to the number. Those guys are crazy.

On the thruster version of that board, if you are riding it with three fins - it will be one of the slowest boards imaginable. Try it as a twin first - just the two outside rail fins. The larger those fins are, the more drive it will have, as someone noted above.

The Custom is ok, not my favorite. It's a weird cross between a surf style board and a skim style board - not doing either very well. Although it will be more bouyant as you gather, it's probably a good 3 pounds lighter than your 4 skim.

The 4'6" thruster of the Custom is also plagued by the trailer slowing the board down. Toss the trailer fin and ride it as a twin if you wind up with that.

I'm a big advocate of investing in a decent board and passing all the entry level stuff, like Timmy! suggests, especially if you are buying a second board. The 4'2" Custom will be too small, the 4'6" is probably the right size, but it won't be an improvement to what you have. The 4'10" will be floaty, but will also feel sluggish and WAY too long. If you've been carving on that 4 skim, you'll find yourself catching the nose of the 4'10" in the flats. Surface 3's become painfully hard at that length.

A good solid 4'6" to 4'8" performance board - like a prior year IS Green or the replacement Sweet Spot you'd find very fast. It'll hamper your aerials because it's so flat, but not any worse than your 4 skim.

It's hard to recommend anything specifically without more info - your weight, the wake, your budget...things like that. Paint a picture of what you want in the board and I'm sure we can narrow down your selections.

Hope that helps, some.

[MTtigekid]

surf dad- thats helps a ton!!! i totally get what your getting at with the dual rather than tri fin pattern.. .with the 3 fins ont the IS its is slow as balls
anyway heres some info for you
height- 6'
weight- 175 ish
wake- perty decent, my 24ve with all the ballst really kicks but i sometimes ride on a 22 moomba with considerably less wake
budget- not 1000!!! something reasonable 100-400 dollars ish
i want a board that i can progress on.. something with good pop for arials but that i can spin and learn more spins on<<< idk if thats possible but thats what i want
FIY i dont mind having to work a bit to stay in the pocket but my skim was getting soo slow it was almost impossible, hence this thread

[Surfdad]

Hey MTtigekid,

I'm going to be honest with you, your budget blows. It's going to be hard to find a board within that range, unless you find a good used one. That's so sketchy, you'd almost have to post back up with each find. I've noticed that the MOB Group has a warehouse and they are selling used board and blanks at REMARKABLE prices. They had a 4'10" custom that was used at a wakesurf school for $150. Give JL a shout at:

http://mobgroup.tv/mobwarehouse.html

See if they have anything worthwhile in a used wakesurfer, then you can ask about what they have available.

As far as new. There are only a few that hit in that price range.

If you are thinking you want to learn shuv's or surface rotations greater than a 360 - say 540 or 720's, you'll want to look at a skimmer. These boards will limit your ability to generate air, because they tend to have no rocker and limited drive. That combination makes it hard to release the board from the water. I have watched some of the Victoria skimboard team pro's throw HUGE ollies behind my boat, but they are far and away the minority and not what we normal folks can achieve. So a skim style board will be your choice if you're looking to learn shuv's, 720's and don't really care too much about the aerials OR riding that weak wake.

In the Skim style arena, you're looking for a 54" or so length board. The Phase 5 Prop, Triple X has a skimmer that is a knock off of the Prop for a hundred or so cheaper, that's a good deal. Also Shred Stixx has a skimmer, but I think it's outside your price range. I would also look seriously at the new asylum boardz. The old trick boardz are now asylum only they are made out of foam instead of wood. Super light, they spin all day and they are exceptionally fast. They are a little tough to do shuv's on because the concave tends to suck the board down to the water, but it can be done. If you get a new one of those...lightly sand the bottom with 600 wet/dry until water flows off the bottom instead of beading up. That will help with release.

On the surf style boards, they will have deep fins and a shape that hampers riding the board revert. (fins first). With the deep fins ridden revert like after landing a shuv, will tend to catch in the wake and spin you around. If you're not overly concerned with shuv's and you can be satisfied with a maximum of a 360 rotation then solid surfstyle boards will work. The only board that I can recommend in this price range is the TWP Comp X 4'8". I believe that it lists at $399 ready to ride - JUST squeaked into your budget The Triple X Slaysher 4'6" is a nice shape and rocker, but they used wakeboard fins, so - I don't know, it's a poor combination, but might be worth a look-see as a surf style board. In your budget also.

The last area that might be worth your consideration is the hybrid board. They are crosses of surf and skim. Typically they don't do either very well, but they do allow folks to do both shuv's, throw aerials and spins maybe in the 720 range, 900's and 1080's would be hard on this style board.

The Walzer alpha fit this category and then also the TWP S-2 offerings. I'm hesitent to include the asylum boardz in here, but they do "sorta" qualify. They have a well defined rocker and deep concave. So that board will allow you to do just about everything, if not the best of anything. The Walzer Alpha will have to be used and they are pretty scarce. Also there were two models, one with a HUGE rocker and the good one Stay away from the Walzer with the huge rocker. The TWP S-2 54 is a tad outside your price range, but is a good hybrid board and I'd consider it strongly.

Sheesh, I dumped a bunch of info, didn't I? Feel free to post up more questions, lots of info to consider and I'm within the community we can get you on the right board.

[Timmy!]

I love when others have questions, I learn a LOT from Surfdad's answers!

I'm still thinking you might be able to trade that board to someone else who is looking for it, might post up on Wakeoutlaws/Wakeworld/etc and see if there is any interest.