Fuel guage

[spharis]

The Faria fuel transducers look just like/are the navmans. Tranducers are not usually brand specific. They have a 3 wire connection.
http://www.starmarinedepot.com/Navma...el+Sensor.html

What is the model number of the Faria instrument you have that can accept this transducer.

[chpthril]

I have the Commander series (don't know model #)

[spharis]

Assumin you have a 4" guage (you will have two 4-pin plugs) and not the larger 5" (two 6-pin) one, here is what you need....this is for the tach....you can see where it has the fuel level already there.
Here is the commander sales sheet.....it supports fuel flow funtions in the tach.
http://faria-instruments.com/site_ma...Commander2.pdf

Do you know if you already have a 4 pin, and just need to add the other wires?

http://faria-instruments.com/site_manuals/HN0354.pdf

If you already have the plug, then you should be able to insert the pins and wires to make the connection. If you do not have this plug, I would call Faria and see if you can order that plug harness.

It also looks like you Commander guys have this plug in the tach too.
http://faria-instruments.com/site_manuals/HN0354.pdf

That is the plug for the tach.....so if you look at the back of the commander tach, you should have an open port to allow for the fuel flow harness to plug in. If thats the case, order that harness from Faria (just call) and get the Navman fuel flow if it is cheaper elsewhere.

This is the manual for your commander tach.
http://faria-instruments.com/site_manuals/IS0128E.pdf
notice the drawings on page 2....one plug is vertical, and the other horizontal.....you need a harness to go into the large hole, the vertical one.

One more very important thing.....You will lose your air/water temp to get the fuel flow.....jsut part of the pain for the gain I guess.

Since you already have the plug if you have the air/water temp, you could just cut the leads for the other sensors, and wire in the fuel transducers.


I fixed the links

[chpthril]

Here is what I just got back from Faria (email)

The part you need is our p/n SN0019 (the fuel flow transducer which
needs to be installed in the actual fuel line). You can purchase this
part directly through West Marine special orders at 1-800-538-0775.

Regards,
Jessica
Jessica Goins
T.G.Faria Corporation
Faria Marine Sales
385 Norwich-New London Tpke.
Uncasville, CT 06382
Main Phone: 860-848-9271, extension 1217
Direct Line: 860-885-2082
Fax: 860-848-2704

[spharis]

You will also need a 4-pin harness (assuming 4" instrument), or you will need to splice yours from your air/temp sensors (you must diconnect these accoring to the wiring schema). My fuel transducer did not have a harness plug.

This is coming from Faria's manuals.

This is the transducer....you might call marine west, but I am sure it is the same.
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...allpartial/0/0

and from shipstore
http://www.shipstore.com/SS/HTML/FAR/FARSN0019.html

Faria does not make transducers....they use airmar for the depth, speed, and temp; and I guess navman for flow, I cannot find another manf of 3/8" flow.

Originally posted by Harvey
Faria does offer a fuel flow transducer that will work with the gauge. Part number SN0019. Tige is in the process of testing the unit and it may become an option for later models.

a quote from Lee

Originally posted by lee
You will need two parts to make it work, Sender Unit - Faria Part Number SN0019, Wiring Harness - Faria Part Number HN0354.

And here is a manual on it from this site
http://www.tigeowners.com/manuals.shtml

So conclusion according to all the numerous opinions here, info from Tige, Faria, and reading the schematics in the manuals.....

Yes you can add a fuel flow, if it is 4" commander model. And yes you will have to give up the temp sensors.. The 5" model allows all of the above. To give up your temp sensors, you can simply cut the harness, and wire in the new tranducer. The harnesses are the same part number.

[chpthril]

6-way harness #HN0358 also shows the the transducer. Leads me to believe you can wire the transducer in this harness and keep the air/water temp?????

[spharis]

6 way is for the 5" instrument.....that is a different model. I think you hava a 4 inch. The 4" has two 4 pin plugs. The 5" has one 6-pin and one 4-pin (I was incorrect above). I am sure if you send Faria a detailed email with part numbers, they will confirm this.

Part numbers for the 4" tach are:
HN354 - large 4-pin plug for 4" commander - used for transducer
HN356 - small 4-pin plug for 4" commander - used for tach

The transducers you add are assigned to each. The 4-pin takes either the fuel flow, or the temp. The small 4-pin is the same on both and sends the tach signal.

Here is text from the manual...systems check refers to the 5" instrument. it gives the two options available for commanders. If you notice the 4" model (via connection part numbers above) supports both option Tach w/ fuel, or Tach w/temp.

2. Small Connector Socket

Tachometer with Fuel Flow
Follow the wiring diagram at the end of this manual for wiring connections. HN0356.
SystemCheck® connections can be found on HN0358.

*HN0356 is a picture of the small socket connector schema to connect to tach.

*HN0358 is a schema on wiring a systems check circuit. Maybe that's also an option. It uses the 4 wire small too.
The systems check has low oil, no oil, over temp, etc on the instrument.

Tachometer with Ambient Air and Water Temperature
Follow the wiring diagram at the end of this manual for wiring connections. HN0355.

*HN0355 shows schema of large 4-pin going to temp sensors. I think this is a typo and should probably read HN0356.

3. Large Connector Socket

Tachometer with Fuel Flow
Follow the wiring diagram at the end of this manual for wiring connections. HN0354.

*HN0354 is a schema of fuel flow and tank sender on the large 4-pin.

SystemCheck® connections can be found on HN0358.
same as above.....going to the system check circuit


Tachometer with Ambient Air and Water Temperature
Follow the wiring diagram at the end of this manual for wiring connections.
HN0355 or HN0372 for 5 inch Commanders.

*HN0355 is a schema of 4-pin 4" to temp sensors
*HN0372 is same for 5"

[chpthril]

Oh well, wishfull thinking I could have my cake and eat it to.

Thanks for your help, I learned alot more here than what you could get out of those manuals.

[spharis]

One more thing in there:

Note: For proper operation no additional fuel gauges may be connected to the fuel level sender.

Other Features
The Commander can have special features programmed in it at the Factory.

1) Fuel Management which includes, Fuel Flow, Fuel Used, Total Fuel Used, and Fuel Remaining.

2) Ambient Air and Water Temperature.


This manual covers both. Refer to your boats owners manual for which feature have been installed.


Might have to see what "programming" is required by a dealer.

[chpthril]

I've got the air/h2o temp, and I think I'll pass on the fuelflow to keep them . or just go with the kit w/gauge.

This manual covers both. Refer to your boats owners manual for which feature have been installed.

Didn't get one, but found the download. thats where I saw that the gauge was capable of this function, but the Dealer could not tell me $#!@. He just told me where to get one.

Might have to see what "programming" is required by a dealer.

Don't have one of those either

[spharis]

My guess is there is no programming required, unless you have the 5". The instrument goes through a POST, so I assume it determines the type of transducers that are connected during this. Faria may be able to shed more light or assist you in what to do to "program" it. More than likely if it does require "programming" it is a hidden menu in the instrument or similar.