Fogging?

[ajholt7]

I will be winterizing this weekend and have a question about fogging. I see many people spray the fogging oil into the intake, but read that this can clog the injectors. Has anyone had this problem?

[KonaKing]

I will be winterizing this weekend and have a question about fogging. I see many people spray the fogging oil into the intake, but read that this can clog the injectors. Has anyone had this problem?

For a short storage of less than a year I would not fog, longer times absolutely

[whitlock87]

Winterizing Your Engine
by Don Casey
When the temperature falls below freezing, if there is water inside your engine or gearcase, the result can be a cracked block or housing and a repair bill that runs into the thousands. It is easy enough to prevent this unhappy circumstance by putting your boat's engine to bed properly at the end of the boating season.
Rust never sleeps

Allowing corrosion to flourish during the off-season is less dramatic but equally destructive. Corrosion can establish a foothold on idle components, so liberal use of corrosion inhibitors--both internal and external--is a second guiding principle for winterizing.

Prepare a checklist

As with laying-up your boat for the season, it is essential not to miss a step. If your owner's manual includes winterizing instructions, that is the procedure you should follow. In the absence of manufacturer's instructions, here are two generic checklists for engine winterizing, one for outboards and one for inboards. Some steps on these lists may not apply to your particular engine.

The only items you will need, other than your engine's normal lubricants are:

- an aerosol can of fogging oil,

- a fuel stabilizer (gasoline engines) or a fuel biocide (diesel engines),

- and, for inboards, a gallon or two of non-toxic propylene glycol antifreeze.

Outboards

Freshwater flush
Use a flushing attachment, or run the outboard in a tank filled with clean water.

Empty fuel lines and carburetors
While the engine is still running, disconnect the fuel line from the engine. When the engine dies, the fuel delivery components will be empty, preventing gums from forming in the stagnant gasoline and clogging lines and jets or injectors.

Fog the carburetor intake(s)
Before the engine runs out of fuel, spray fogging oil into the carburetor(s). Fogging oil is an anticorrosive that will protect the internal surfaces of the carburetor and the cylinders. Typically the engine will run rough just before it runs out of fuel. As that happens, give the carburetor(s) a heavier shot of fogging oil to make sure internal surfaces are fully coated.

Drain cooling passages

Disconnect the flush attachment or remove the motor from the flush tank. With the motor upright, let all water drain out of the pick-up. Open drain plugs (if any--see your owner's manual) to empty the powerhead and intermediate housing. Crank the motor a couple of times by hand or "bump" it with the starter to empty the water pump. If the motor will be exposed to freezing conditions, it is essential that no water remains inside.

Fog the cylinders
Remove the spark plugs and spray fogging oil into the holes to coat the interior surfaces of the cylinders. Rotate the flywheel a few turns to spread the oil on the cylinder walls. While the plugs are out is the time to check them and regap or replace as required. Reinstall the spark plugs.

Lubricate linkages and the electric starter drive mechanism
Clean all pivots and visible gears and protect them for the winter with oil or grease, as specified in your owner's manual.

Drain and refill gearcase
Use lubricant specified in your owner's manual. Fill oil tank
This will prevent condensation from forming inside the tank.

Touch up damaged paint
Mist-coat powerhead with an anticorrosion spray


Drain fuel tank and supply lines
Starting your engine in the spring with old gasoline is an invitation to problems. Manage the last few weeks of your boating season to leave your fuel tank(s) close to empty, then drain the fuel that remains. Use it in your snow blower or burn it in your car, but leave gasoline tanks and lines empty.

Stabilize the fuel
Some boaters prefer to store the tanks full to minimize the potential for condensation. I find a cupful of water in the tank in the spring a lot smaller problem than 50 gallons of bad gasoline, but if you want to leave the tank full, pour in an appropriate amount of gasoline stabilizer to combat the formation of passage-clogging gums.

Clean and liberally lubricate propeller shaft
The off season is the perfect time to have your prop(s) serviced. If the engine will be stored on the boat, take the prop(s) home to discourage theft.

Store upright
Laying the engine down risks water draining where it shouldn't. An engine stand is easy enough to cobble together.

Inboards

Change coolant--fresh-water cooled engines only
Coolant loses its anticorrosion properties over time. Replacing it every year with a fresh 50-50 mix protects the inside of your engine.

Change oil in engine and transmission
First take the boat out for a ride to get the oil hot and contaminants in suspension. (This also distributes the fresh coolant throughout the engine.) Replace the oil filter.

Top-off fuel tanks and add biocide--diesel engines only
Keeping the tank full inhibits condensation, a serious problem for diesel engines. Treat the fresh fuel with a biocide to retard bacteria growth. A stabilizer is unnecessary unless you expect to run the engine during the winter since the paraffin that precipitates out will be reabsorbed by the fuel when warm weather returns.

Run engine out of fuel--gasoline engines only
Shut off the fuel supply and let the engine run until it stops.

Fog the intake--gasoline engines only
While the engine is running, remove the flame arrestor and spray fogging oil into the air intake. Give it an extra heavy shot just as the engine starves and dies.

Drain fuel tank and supply lines--gasoline engines only
Adding stabilizer is an alternative but less effective way of avoiding engine problems in the spring resulting from stale gasoline.

Flush raw-water circuit
If you have a fresh-water flush connector, use it. Otherwise, close the intake seacock and disconnect the hose on the outlet side of the raw-water pump. Disconnect the cooling-water discharge hose from the exhaust manifold or riser. Run fresh water into the discharge hose to back-flush raw-water passages and rinse out salt deposits. You can extend the disconnected pump hose outside the boat or let the bilge pump handle the flush discharge.

Protect raw-water passages--raw-water cooled diesel engines only
The raw water circuit must be drained to prevent freezing, but air exposure promotes corrosion. Reconnect the water-pump outlet hose. Insert a funnel into the disconnected discharge hose and pour a 50-50 mix of propylene glycol antifreeze into the funnel until the hose will not accept more. Allow the mixture to remain inside the block for several minutes, then open all raw-water drain plugs and drain the engine. This treatment leaves behind a layer of corrosion protection on the water-jacket, and it freeze-protects any water that might be harbored in low spots inside the engine.
This treatment is also applicable to protecting the heat exchanger on a fresh-water cooled engine.

Remove raw-water impeller
Antifreeze swells some rubbers, so rinse the extracted impeller as a precaution. Some grease the impeller and reinstall it. My preference is to leave it out until spring so the vanes don't take a set.

Fog cylinders--gasoline engines only
Remove the spark plugs and spray fogging oil into the holes. "Bump" the starter to spread the oil on the cylinder walls. Regap or replace plugs, as required, and reinstall.

Fog intake--diesel engines only
Spray fogging oil into the intake manifold and turn the engine over slowly by hand to draw the oil into the cylinders and spread it. Do not use the starter, even with the stop control pulled out; the engine can start on the fogging oil.

Drain muffler canister
The less moisture the engine is exposed to, the less corrosion will occur.

Degrease, derust, touch-up
Maintain all painted surfaces to keep corrosion at bay.

Grease control cables
Extract control cables from their housings and coat them with grease. If you cannot remove them, tape an oil-filled bag tightly around the high end of the housing; the oil will work its way down the cable. Lubricate linkages and pivots.

Coat unpainted parts with an anticorrosion spray


Seal all engine and tank openings
Keep moist air from getting inside your engine and tanks. Seal air inlets, crankcase and transmission breathers, exhaust outlets, and tank vents. Fabricate caps from plastic containers and tape them in place with plastic tape to create an airtight seal.

Tighten stuffing box
If the boat will be stored in the water, tighten the stuffing box to eliminate all dripping. Tag it to remind you to loosen it in the spring.

Stern Drive

A stern drive is, in principle, an inboard engine married to an outboard drive system. If your boat has a stern drive you will need to follow the inboard list for protecting the engine, but add to that several items from the outboard list for protecting the lower end. An additional requirement is filling the drive shaft housing with the appropriate lubricant.
Remember that a stern drive needs to be in the full-down position for draining the water passages and for checking or adding gear lube. Store it in the down position.

For more information about boat maintenance, consult This Old Boat by Don Casey.

[chpthril]

So far, I cant find anyone that can explain to me how fogging will clog injectors.

Fogging oil is just that.....an oil. If it solidified, then it would have been layering up on valves and piston tops over the how any years it was being used on carbureted engines. Injectors are an electrically and mechanically controlled valve with 45psi of fuel pressure on the BACK SIDE of the pintle. Clogging takes place on the inside (fuel side) of the injector due to stale fuel, cheap additives, etc. The intake (non-pressure) side of the injector, called the "cone" is constantly washed by fuel as the injector pulses and sprays fuel. So, if any thing drys here, which fogging oil wont do as it's an oil based coating, it will simply be washed away by the cleaning agents in the fuel itself as well as the Stabil we have also added to the fuel tank. Also, it's typical to fog the engine with it running/cranking as the goal i get the oil into the cylinders in order to coat the pistons and cylinder walls to protect them from rust caused by moisture in the atmosphere. While the engine if turning over, the pistons are creating a low pressure (vacuum) area in the intake.

Just my

[ajholt7]

So far, I cant find anyone that can explain to me how fogging will clog injectors.

Fogging oil is just that.....an oil. If it solidified, then it would have been layering up on valves and piston tops over the how any years it was being used on carbureted engines. Injectors are an electrically and mechanically controlled valve with 45psi of fuel pressure on the BACK SIDE of the pintle. Clogging takes place on the inside (fuel side) of the injector due to stale fuel, cheap additives, etc. The intake (non-pressure) side of the injector, called the "cone" is constantly washed by fuel as the injector pulses and sprays fuel. So, if any thing drys here, which fogging oil wont do as it's an oil based coating, it will simply be washed away by the cleaning agents in the fuel itself as well as the Stabil we have also added to the fuel tank. Also, it's typical to fog the engine with it running/cranking as the goal i get the oil into the cylinders in order to coat the pistons and cylinder walls to protect them from rust caused by moisture in the atmosphere. While the engine if turning over, the pistons are creating a low pressure (vacuum) area in the intake.

Just my

Sounds good to me. Spraying it through the intake it is.

[whitlock87]

I never had an issue, and I do it every year, Just spray it down the throttle body, and then kill the engine while I am, still spraying. I also spray the outside of the engine, to help prevent rust. It will smoke slightly when I start it up in the spring. .

[JUST-IN-TIME]

there is the newer way to fog


no spray in intake, you run it through the fuel

[Carter13]

there is the newer way to fog


no spray in intake, you run it through the fuel

Could you elaborate?

[whitlock87]

there is the newer way to fog
no spray in intake, you run it through the fuel

Are you talking about adding STAB to our gas?

[chpthril]

Could you elaborate?

x2. Some of these additives are not intended to be run through the rubber components of the fuel system. Some can, but need to be mixed correctly with the right about of fuel in the tank, too strong and it will start eating rubber. Not too mention, there is a small list of approved chemical that Delco, Multec, and Bosch say are safe to run through thier injectors.

[ct77]

I know in the Merc manual, it recomends that you stop the fuel supply to engine, remove water seperating filter, pour a small amount of 2 stroke oil and gas into filter, re-install filter and run boat until motor stops. I haven't looked to see if there is a fuel shut off or something like that, just read about this procedure in the manual.