Wetsounds SYN 6 Watts?

[kodiak ak]

How many watts per channel does the syn6 put out? I believe it is 60 x 6 watts @ 4ohms but cant find the answer.

Wetsounds web site shows 60 x 4 watts and 155 x 2 watts RMS @ 4ohms, 105 x 4 watts and 305 x 2 watts RMS @ 2ohms and 200 x 2 watts and 600 x 1 watts RMS @ 4ohms.

The reason I ask is because Im thinking about moving each xs-650 (6 in all) to its own channel. Get rid of the 10 fa and add a XS-12 on its own amp.
Thanks.

[Bobert]

How many watts per channel does the syn6 put out? I believe it is 60 x 6 watts @ 4ohms but cant find the answer.

Wetsounds web site shows 60 x 4 watts and 155 x 2 watts RMS @ 4ohms, 105 x 4 watts and 305 x 2 watts RMS @ 2ohms and 200 x 2 watts and 600 x 1 watts RMS @ 4ohms.

The reason I ask is because Im thinking about moving each xs-650 (6 in all) to its own channel. Get rid of the 10 fa and add a XS-12 on its own amp.
Thanks.

Channels 5 and 6 put out a different wattage than 1-4. It's more of a 4+2 channel amp than a 6 channel amp putting out equal wattage.

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[chpthril]

How many watts per channel does the syn6 put out? I believe it is 60 x 6 watts @ 4ohms but cant find the answer.

Wetsounds web site shows 60 x 4 watts and 155 x 2 watts RMS @ 4ohms, 105 x 4 watts and 305 x 2 watts RMS @ 2ohms and 200 x 2 watts and 600 x 1 watts RMS @ 4ohms.

The reason I ask is because Im thinking about moving each xs-650 (6 in all) to its own channel. Get rid of the 10 fa and add a XS-12 on its own amp.
Thanks.

The Syn-6 is a Hybrid amp, as in its got 4 hi-pass chnls and 2 full-range chnls that can run subs or speakers. It can be run in 6 chnl mode, 5 chnl mode or 3 chnl mode. In your application, I would run it 3 chnl mode in this configuration:

Bow pair bridged to chnl 1/2 and chnl 3/4. This is a potential of 200W rms, so you want to gain them down to match the rear speakers level

Left mid and aft wired in parallel on chnl 5 and right mid and aft wired in parallel on chnl 6. This would be a 2 ohm load on each of those chnls for a total of 305W rms output, Thats a net of 150W to each speaker.

[kodiak ak]

I know the question has been asked already but I have to ask it again. Is it worth it to power only the 6 in inboard speakers from the syn6 and put the sub on its own amp or will I just be making changes for no real reason? If I put a xs-12 on its own amp I would not want it to over power the sound of the XS-650's. I want the hole system to compliment each other.

[chpthril]

Kodiak,

No worries about over powering the xs-650 with Syn-6 configured how i outlined above.

Now, lets get down to the nitty gritty. There will absolutely be a difference between a 10" woofer and a 12" woofer.

The Syn-6 is capable of 600W rms for a woofer. Thats solid power for an xs-12 and a very solid woofer power for any system. A 600W 12 is in the upper side of a moderate system.

So, leaving the 3 pair of xs-650 as is on the Syn-6 for roughly 60W rms to each with a 600W 12 sub is not bad at all. With the xs-650's high output, this setup can be tuned in a manor that most do not feel the sub is overrunning the in-boats.

If your thoughts for a dedicated woofer amp were for anything less than 800W, id say it would not be an audible difference.

On the flip side of the coin, you would need to double the wattage to the in-boats to make a real seat of the pants difference in volume. So dedicating the Syn-6 just to the in-boats, thats some solid head-room that will keep pace with a serious woofer setup.

So, what did you have in mind for an XS-12 amp and enclosure? I know a place thats running some winter package deals

[Truekaotik]

Kodiak,
Just add the xs12 to the syn6, no need to move the sub off the amplifier. I also wouldn't use a syn6 for 6 Inboats, just me..

[chpthril]

What are your reservations with dedicating the Syn-6 to the 3 pair of in-boats?

[Truekaotik]

Honestly... Why would you, is the question?
Huge difference in power between the 4 bank part and the 2 channel side. No audible gain in moving the 6 off the 4 channel and distributing it to the 6, gaining 5 watts a speaker on the 4 but double on the 6. Adding a 12" woofer from the 10" with the same power will be a audible gain. Just a misappropriation of the amplifier. Sell it and get a HT6 for a way better ( more power and class D) and cheaper (than a Syn6) experience...
Then you can match the new exterior sub amp with the XS12 if you want..

[chpthril]

Honestly... Why would you, is the question?

Pretty much answered this in post #3 and #5, prior to your post.

No audible gain in moving the 6 off the 4 channel and distributing it to the 6, gaining 5 watts a speaker on the 4

I agree, thats why I suggested the 3 chnl configuration I outlined in post #3.

a 12" woofer from the 10" with the same power will be a audible gain. Just a misappropriation of the amplifier.

How so? Minus an infrasonic filter, chnls 5 and 6 are built for driving subwoofers, as well as full-range speakers. Can even properly drive a speaker setup like the Rev-410

Sell it and get a HT6 for a way better ( more power and class D)

The HT-6, or the new HTX-6, in 6 chnl mode will deliver 110W rms. In 3 chnl mode, the Syn-6 will deliver 150W rms to the same 3 pair of speakers.

[Truekaotik]

What is your deal? I wouldn't run a hybrid Syn6 that way.... You would, I don't trust them like you do that's all... Give me a real class H Syn2 or 4...

[chpthril]

Dont trust the syn-6 to do what? Ive addressed application, configuration and execution. Not trusting the amp is a different topic. The Syn-6 is an incredibly flexible and capable amp. Dual power supplies, fan cooled, on-board diagnostics. Hard pressed to find a 6 chnl like this. Most are symmetrical in their output. There are some 5 chnl amps that can deliver wattage to the full range speakers and sub, but the 5th chnl is low-pass sub woofer only. So not nearly as flexible.

[Truekaotik]

Now if a XXX was the upgraded sub, the 150 watts from the Syn6 would blend well with it (even though I still don't like that amp). Otherwise your tuning down (taking power away) the syn6 anyways to match the xs12's output. Just adding a xs12 will make a audible difference, not just in output but in frequency as well. You know this so why challenge it? Sometime I just don't understand you, yes you can do it that way, but why add another amplifier for almost the same output for the sub but triple your inboat power?

[Truekaotik]

Dont trust the syn-6 to do what? Ive addressed application, configuration and execution. Not trusting the amp is a different topic. The Syn-6 is an incredibly flexible and capable amp. Dual power supplies, fan cooled, on-board diagnostics. Hard pressed to find a 6 chnl like this. Most are symmetrical in their output. There are some 5 chnl amps that can deliver wattage to the full range speakers and sub, but the 5th chnl is low-pass sub woofer only. So not nearly as flexible.

You are on the forums all the time and challenge me whenever you can. You don't think we all know what you do for a living you have to type it out? Are you insecure? We both have ran the product in many different ways, I never imply you havnt yet you need to indicate I havnt.. I'm glad you like the syn6, you probably loved the HT series as well beforethe new version, yes you said it "HTX". my fault for typing HT... Why do you think it changed? I like what I like and have experience with. If it's about superiority and making sure they call you? You are the man.. I'm just a mouse on a wheel...

[chpthril]

Just adding a xs12 will make a audible difference, not just in output but in frequency as well. You know this so why challenge it?

Challenging what? I stated this a day before your post

So, leaving the 3 pair of xs-650 as is on the Syn-6 for roughly 60W rms to each with a 600W 12 sub is not bad at all. With the xs-650's high output, this setup can be tuned in a manor that most do not feel the sub is overrunning the in-boats.

why add another amplifier for almost the same output for the sub but triple your inboat power?

This is a simple one, but to start with, you are making an assumption of sub wattage from the dedicated sub amp being the same. The OP has not mentioned what amp/wattage he had in mind, just that he wanted to use the xs-12

To start with, more available wattage means we can set a low gain level while achieving the same volume level as a lower output amp with a higher gain level. This equals a lower noise floor. Driving a speaker with an available rms thats above the speaker's stated rms, means we can get the desired performance out of said speaker, while driving the amp at a more conservative pace. Lastly, we can almost always turn the gains down, to balance the system, but we can only turn the gain up to the point if its unclipped level. At that point, the amp is making its rated wattage, regardless of the speaker's performance or whether or not its being over driven by another zone.

If the OP is going to make a sub amp upgrade, then why not make use of the available wattage of the amp thats already there and wired up? Id rather have a big powerful V8 and run it at part throttle, then have a 4-banger that you have to mat just to keep up with traffic.

[chpthril]

You are on the forums all the time and challenge me whenever you can. You don't think we all know what you do for a living you have to type it out? Are you insecure? We both have ran the product in many different ways, I never imply you havnt yet you need to indicate I havnt.. I'm glad you like the syn6, you probably loved the HT series as well beforethe new version, yes you said it "HTX". my fault for typing HT... Why do you think it changed? I like what I like and have experience with. If it's about superiority and making sure they call you? You are the man.. I'm just a mouse on a wheel...

just had to quote this for the fun of it