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I BOUGHT THE JL HD600/4 LIKE YOU SUGGESTED AND ALSO THE JL M10IB5 LIKE YOU SUGGESTED.WHILE PUTTING MY AMP RACK TOGETHER AND WENT TO START WIRING AMPS AND DIST. BLOCKS TOGETHER WHEN I SAW ON HERE THAT I MIGHT NEED A SMALLER FUSE IF I WAS RUNNING 3 BIGGER AMPS AND THEN 1 SMALL 2 CHANNEL.(I THINK IT WAS ON PAGE 12)IM SO OUT OF MY LEAGUE.I BOUGHT THE KICKER AMP KIT WITH WIRE ,FUSE,DIST BLOCKS AND ALSO TSUNAMI FUSED 1-4GAUGE---2-8 GAUGE DIST BLOCK.MY OTHER 3 AMPS ARE JBL 600/4,BAZOOKA CSA-2,AND BOSS MR1000/4.MY BATTERIES ARE IN HELM COMPARTMENT.DIST.BLOCKS ON AMP RACK IN OPPOSITE STORAGE.WHAT IS THE PROPER WIRE GAUGE?THIS KICKER PKD4 HAS MORE 8 GAUGE THAN I THOUGHT I SHOULD BE USING BUT I HAVE NO CLUE.THEN COMES RCA'S NEXTCHP THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR HELPWHAT SIZE SHIRT DO YOU WEAR?ITS THE LEAST I CAN DO.

ONE OTHER QUESTION.DO YOU THINK BAZOOKA 8'S OR 6.5'S WOULD BE BETTER IN MIDSHIP WALLS.THE 8'S WILL FIT BUT WHEN YOU INSTALLED THE 880'S YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE OVERPOWERING THE SUB.WHAT WOULD YOU DO CHP?OR WOULD I JUST AD ANOTHER JL SUB NEXT TO THE OTHER ONE LATER IF THIS IS A PROBLEM.JUST WANT TO DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR HELP.

First thing we need to do is nail down exactly what amps are going to be used. You've added a 4th amp to the mix, swapped subs and added in a 3rd pair of in-boats. This will really shake up what speaker I would drive off which amp.

One thing I can say for sure is that 4ga as a trunk line for 3 amps, with 8ga as the branch line, is not going to be sufficient. The only amp in your pool that I would consider feeding with 8ga is the old Bazooka 2 chnl, and thats the one amp I would love to leave out of the plan. It will possible require stepping up to 1/0 ga wire for the trunk line, with 4 ga branch lines feeding each amp. Your current distro block may have removable inserts that will allow it to accommodate 1/0 in and 4 ga out. We will also need to install an appropriately sized fuse for each amp, as well as a main circuit protection at the battery to protect the 1/0 trunk line running from the battery to the amp rack area.

In RE to 8" or 6.5". I have no experience with the Bazooka 8" speakers, so I can not comment as to how they sound and how they would compliment the 2 pair of 6.5" and 10". One thing I can say is that they will not void the 10" sub as it will still reach deeper lows the the 8" fill-range, but the pair of 8" speakers may make the subs overall contribution seem less dominant.

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THANKS AGAIN.BAZOOKA AMP IS OFF THE AMP RACK.JUST JL MHD600/4 AND THE JBL MA6004 ON RACK WITH KICKER DIST BLOCKS.OTHER AMP IS ON SEPERATE BOARD(SHOULD I PUT IT IN THE BATTERY HELM COMPARTMENT OR PUT IT IN STORAGE COMPARTMENT ALSO)THIS IS THE BOSS MR1000 IT HASSMALL RED POWER WIRE WITH IN-LINE FUSE HARD WIRED INTO AMP(TEMPORARY AMP) JUST USING IT FOR 1 JL SUB ONLY.8'S ARE OUT OF PICTURE ALSO.SO ITS 4 BAZOOKA 6.5'S 1 PAIR IN MIDSHIP COMPARTMENT AND OTHER IN BACK AT BOTTOMS OF BACK SEAT.TOWER IS BAZOOKA 6.5 DBL ENDED AND 6.5 COMP HORN.WHICH SPEAKER IS BETTER IN CENTER OF TOWER AND WHAT SIZE WIRE AND HOW DO I WIRE THEM?INDEPENDENT WIRES OR JUMPING OFF EACH OFF OTHER? ITS 14 GAUGE ALREADY IN TOWER.WAS IT 8 GAUGE KICKER WIRE THAT YOU USE FOR REMOTE WIRES SOMETIMES?HOPE I ANSWERED ENOUGH AND NOT TO MUCH.

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Ok,lets break this down.

OTHER AMP IS ON SEPARATE BOARD(SHOULD I PUT IT IN THE BATTERY HELM COMPARTMENT OR PUT IT IN STORAGE COMPARTMENT ALSO

I would locate all the amps together in the same compartment since your system is coming together from scratch. Even though that one amp is already installed, it will not be driving the same speakers that it is now.

So, batteries in the starboard locker and amp in the port locker.

THE BOSS MR1000 IT HASSMALL RED POWER WIRE WITH IN-LINE FUSE HARD WIRED INTO AMP

That fuse is the fuse that protect the amp itself. We still need to make sure all the amp power cabling is properly protected. This circuit protection needs to be located just off the source. More on this later as im trying to eliminate this amp from the system as well.

Heres whats going in the boat

2 pair of Bazooka 6.5" coaxial in-boats

1 JL M10IB5 4 Ohm SVC

Power the in-boat setup with the JBL MA6004.
Sub bridged on chnls 3/4 running on "Low-Pass" @ about 100Hz
FWD and AFT port side speakers wire in parallel (+ to +/- to -) on chnl 1 running "Hi-Pass" at about 100Hz. Wire the FWD and AFT starboard speaker in parallel on chnl 2 same as chnl 1 setting.

On Tower

1 pair Bazooka 6.5" DBLs on the tower

1 pair Bazooka 6.5 HLCD on the tower.

Power these on the JL MHD600/4
Port side DBL on chnl 1, port side HLCD on chnl 3, stbd DBL on chnl 2 and stbd HLCD on chnl 4. Both halves of the amps running "Hi-Pass". Amp-1 (chnls 1 and 2) tuned to about 100 Hz. Amp-2 (chnls 3 and 4) tuned to about 150 Hz.

Power Cable, etc

List for me, what you have in the way of power cabling size and length, fuses, fuse holders, and distribution blocks, so we can get a schematic planed out that will properly supply the amp.

You will have no issue fitting 4ga cabling into the lugs of the JL MHD 600/4, and thats what it needs. The JBL MA6004 on the other hand, is not so easy. It uses a spade type terminal screw anchor. You may have a tough time finding a spade that fits into the terminal and accepts 4 ga wire. If the run is short between a distribution block and the amp, we will be ok using 8ga.

Here is about what you will need: 20ft of 4 ga. 8ft for the POS between the battery and fused distribution block and 8ft for the GND between the battery and the ground distribution block. And a couple of feet from each amp to each distribution block. Maybe a little 8ga if fitting 4ga in the JBL is not gonna happen.

You need a main form of circuit protection right off the battery. This can be a fuse or a circuit breaker rated around 90-100 Amps. This protects the 8ft of POS wire running across the boat to the amp install area.

TOWER IS BAZOOKA 6.5 DBL ENDED AND 6.5 COMP HORN.WHICH SPEAKER IS BETTER IN CENTER OF TOWER

I would place the HLCDs in the center. This gets the full-range coaxials as far apart as possible, which will help them sound better as they will be playing in stereo.

WHAT SIZE WIRE AND HOW DO I WIRE THEM?INDEPENDENT WIRES OR JUMPING OFF EACH OFF OTHER? ITS 14 GAUGE ALREADY IN TOWER

Each of the 4 pods needs its own 2-conductor speaker wire making a home-run to the amp (see above). You will need to add another two pair of 2-conductor.

14ga wire is perfect.

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Ok,lets break this down.



I would locate all the amps together in the same compartment since your system is coming together from scratch. Even though that one amp is already installed, it will not be driving the same speakers that it is now.

So, batteries in the starboard locker and amp in the port locker.



That fuse is the fuse that protect the amp itself. We still need to make sure all the amp power cabling is properly protected. This circuit protection needs to be located just off the source. More on this later as im trying to eliminate this amp from the system as well.


2 pair of Bazooka 6.5" coaxial in-boats

1 JL M10IB5 4 Ohm SVC

Power the in-boat setup with the JBL MA6004.
Sub bridged on chnls 3/4 running on "Low-Pass" @ about 100Hz
FWD and AFT port side speakers wire in parallel (+ to +/- to -) on chnl 1 running "Hi-Pass" at about 100Hz. Wire the FWD and AFT starboard speaker in parallel on chnl 2 same as chnl 1 setting.


1 pair Bazooka 6.5" DBLs on the tower

1 pair Bazooka 6.5 HLCD on the tower.

Power these on the JL MHD600/4
Port side DBL on chnl 1, port side HLCD on chnl 3, stbd DBL on chnl 2 and stbd HLCD on chnl 4. Both halves of the amps running "Hi-Pass". Amp-1 (chnls 1 and 2) tuned to about 100 Hz. Amp-2 (chnls 3 and 4) tuned to about 150 Hz.


List for me, what you have in the way of power cabling size and length, fuses, fuse holders, and distribution blocks, so we can get a schematic planed out that will properly supply the amp.
WHAT I HAVE LEFT FROM THE KICKER AMP KIT IS ABOUT 10 FT OF BLUE POWER 4 GAUGE AND 0 GROUND BECAUSE I RAN 4 GAUGE TO JBL.THE KIT HAD TERMINALS THAT FIT PERFECT.IM GOING TO GET 12' OF 4 GAUGE BLACK AND WHATEVER FUSES I NEED.ALSO HAVE 2' OF 8 GAUGE EACH COLOR AND 2-KICKER DIST BLOCKS NON FUSED.ONE KICKER 150 AMP FUSE THAT CAME WITH KIT.TSUNAMI FUSE BROKE.THANKS AGAIN.GLAD BOSS AMP IS GONE.
You will have no issue fitting 4ga cabling into the lugs of the JL MHD 600/4, and thats what it needs. The JBL MA6004 on the other hand, is not so easy. It uses a spade type terminal screw anchor. You may have a tough time finding a spade that fits into the terminal and accepts 4 ga wire. If the run is short between a distribution block and the amp, we will be ok using 8ga.

Here is about what you will need: 20ft of 4 ga. 8ft for the POS between the battery and fused distribution block and 8ft for the GND between the battery and the ground distribution block. And a couple of feet from each amp to each distribution block. Maybe a little 8ga if fitting 4ga in the JBL is not gonna happen.

You need a main form of circuit protection right off the battery. This can be a fuse or a circuit breaker rated around 90-100 Amps. This protects the 8ft of POS wire running across the boat to the amp install area.

WILL I NEED ANOTHER FUSERIGHT BEFORE AMPS LIKE TSUNAMI 50FUSE ON ONE SIDE AND 40FUSE ON OTHER

I would place the HLCDs in the center. This gets the full-range coaxials as far apart as possible, which will help them sound better as they will be playing in stereo.



Each of the 4 pods needs its own 2-conductor speaker wire making a home-run to the amp (see above). You will need to add another two pair of 2-conductor.

14ga wire is perfect.

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I TRIED TO REPLY BACK AND REALLY SCREWED IT UP.SO I DO HAVE 10' OF 4 GAUGE BLUE AND TWO GROUND DIST. BLOCKS.1-150 FUSE AND 2'OF EACH COLOR 8 GAUGE.ALL CAME IN KICKER AMP KIT.THE KIT HAD TERMINALS THAT FIT PERFECT ON JBL AMP WITH 4 GAUGE.I AM ORDERING MORE GREY 4 GAUGE FROM SONIC.IM ALSO ORDERING A TSUNAMI 100 CIRCUIT BREAKER.ANYTHING ELSE I SHOULD ORDER?RCA'S?DO I NEED A FUSED DIST.BLOCK RIGHT BEFORE AMPS SINCE JL DOESNT HAVE FUSES LIKE JBL?I HAVE 2-OF THE 1 MALE TO 2 FEMALES Y'S AND 6' RCA'S.DO I ORDER MY WS-420 THROUGH YOU OR WET SOUNDS?AND WILL 14 GAUGE REMOTE WIRE BE FINE?

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I TRIED TO REPLY BACK AND REALLY SCREWED IT UP.SO I DO HAVE 10' OF 4 GAUGE BLUE AND TWO GROUND DIST. BLOCKS.1-150 FUSE AND 2'OF EACH COLOR 8 GAUGE.ALL CAME IN KICKER AMP KIT.THE KIT HAD TERMINALS THAT FIT PERFECT ON JBL AMP WITH 4 GAUGE.I AM ORDERING MORE GREY 4 GAUGE FROM SONIC.IM ALSO ORDERING A TSUNAMI 100 CIRCUIT BREAKER.ANYTHING ELSE I SHOULD ORDER?RCA'S?DO I NEED A FUSED DIST.BLOCK RIGHT BEFORE AMPS SINCE JL DOESNT HAVE FUSES LIKE JBL?I HAVE 2-OF THE 1 MALE TO 2 FEMALES Y'S AND 6' RCA'S.DO I ORDER MY WS-420 THROUGH YOU OR WET SOUNDS?AND WILL 14 GAUGE REMOTE WIRE BE FINE?

What happened to the Tsunami FDB9002M fused block?

Your Kicker amp kit came with a 150A fuse and fuse holder, correct? If so, then you do not need a circuit breaker as the fuse holder and 150A fuse can serve as the main circuit protection.

Now, since the JL doesnt have internal fusing, using a fused distribution block on the B+ cable close to the amps will be a good idea. A 2-fuse block with a couple of 40 or 50 amp fuses would do it. For the GND side, use one of the non-fused blocks you have.

Just to make sure its clear, the amps' GND wire needs to be run back to the battery GND post.

14ga is fine for the amp remote turn-on wire.

If the WS-420 is going in along with the rest of the system, then you will need 4 sets or RCA cables that are long enough to reach from the WS-420 install area to the amps. In most boats, this is between 14-20 ft. You will also need a remote turn-on that needs to be run along with the RCA's. Since your batteries are under the helm locker, you can take the WS-420's B+ and GND right to the battery that the amp are connecting to.

New Wet sounds gear is the only thing I cant sell you, sorry.

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MY TSUNAMI BROKE WHILE TIGHTENING.ITS 8 GAUGE OUT ANYWAY.I ORDERED 20' 4 GAUGE KICKER WIRE FOR GROUND BACK TO BATTERY.SHOULD I GET A TERMINAL CLAMP SET ALSO?JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER AND CLEANER?IF SO ANY PREFERENCE??THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND PATIENCE AND QUICK REPLYS.MY SONS ARE GONNA BE SO STOKED TO GET BACK ON THE LAKE THIS WEEKEND WITH TUNES.THANKS

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SHOULD I GET A TERMINAL CLAMP SET ALSO?JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER AND CLEANER?IF SO ANY PREFERENCE?

If it will make terminating to the battery easier and solid then yes. I do not have a preference or recommendation off the top of my head. I custom do all my cables and solder tinned eyelets on them.

Glad to help, hope it comes together. Just be sure to fallow a gain setting tutorial, like the one listed on the Wet Sounds site, especially with the SW-420 in the loop.

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COUPLE LAST QUESTIONS.WHEN YOU SAY RUN IN PARALLEL +/+ -/- WOULD THAT BE 1 WIRE (FOR LEFT SIDE) FROM AMP TO SPEAKER#1 THEN JUMP WIRE TO SPEAKER#2 OR 2 WIRES (FOR LEFT SIDE)1 WIRE FROM AMP TO SPEAKER#1 AND ANOTHER WIRE FROM AMP TO SPEAKER#2.I WONT BE ABLE TO GET THE WS-420 IN THIS WEEK SO HOW DO I RUN THE RCA'S FOR THIS WEEKEND.I HAVE A BOSS HEAD UNIT BUT FROM THERE I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO.IM TAKING IT TO A STEREO SHOP ON THURSDAY TO TUNE MY AMPS AND DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING.NEXT YEAR IM ORDERING EVERYTHING FROM YOU TO MAKE ALL OF THIS LESS STRESSFUL AND NOT SO MANY EXTRA PARTS.THANKS AGAIN.DO YOU HAVE MIKES LIQUID AUDIO T-SHIRTS FOR SALE IN ADULT AND YOUTH?

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COUPLE LAST QUESTIONS.WHEN YOU SAY RUN IN PARALLEL +/+ -/- WOULD THAT BE 1 WIRE (FOR LEFT SIDE) FROM AMP TO SPEAKER#1 THEN JUMP WIRE TO SPEAKER#2 OR 2 WIRES (FOR LEFT SIDE)1 WIRE FROM AMP TO SPEAKER#1 AND ANOTHER WIRE FROM AMP TO SPEAKER#2.I WONT BE ABLE TO GET THE WS-420 IN THIS WEEK SO HOW DO I RUN THE RCA'S FOR THIS WEEKEND.I HAVE A BOSS HEAD UNIT BUT FROM THERE I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO.IM TAKING IT TO A STEREO SHOP ON THURSDAY TO TUNE MY AMPS AND DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING.NEXT YEAR IM ORDERING EVERYTHING FROM YOU TO MAKE ALL OF THIS LESS STRESSFUL AND NOT SO MANY EXTRA PARTS.THANKS AGAIN.DO YOU HAVE MIKES LIQUID AUDIO T-SHIRTS FOR SALE IN ADULT AND YOUTH?

You can either home-run each speaker wire pair to the amp and connect the 2 + and 2 - wired to the amp terminal there, or you can run from the amp to the closest speaker, then run another leg to the 2nd, furthest speaker away. It depends on where the speakers are in relation to the amp. I try to go with the best route thats going to be the least amount of wire so we end up with the cleanest, least cluttered look. At the end of the day, the goal is to have a 2 ohm load presented at the speaker.

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THANKS AGAIN.SORRY TO ASK,RCA'S GO FROM WHERE TO WHERE?

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Your head-unit has a front and rear RCA outputs.

You will need to run one set of stereo RCA (2 plugs on each end so its a left and right) to the JL MHD600/4. This will supply signal to the tower setup. I do not believe you will need to split the RCA at the JL in order to drive all chnls, it should pass through. In the JL, I cant recall the exact terminology they use for their RCA plugs, it will either be "Amp-1 L and R" or "Amp-1 and Amp-2" that you need to plug up to.

The next stereo RCA set will need to run to the JBL6004. This amp has "Front L & R" and "Rear L & R". For the in-boats and sub to all receive a signal, I think you will need to split the RCA L and R into four and plug up to all 4 of those amp RCA sockets.

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THANKS AGAIN.I RECEIVED MY TSUNAMI FUSED DIST. BLOCK BUT THEY ONLY HAD 40 AND 60 FUSES.WHERE CAN I GET A MANL 50 OR CAN I USE A 40 OR 60 ON THE JL?IN MANUAL IN SAYS USE 50.

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If you can another 40A local, then I would do that. If not, 60A for the JL is only a 20% over fusing and is still far less then what that short section of 4ga will carry. So you would still be fine with the 60W for the JL and the 40 for the JBL.