Do I Need More Power/Batteries?

[socalsynergy]

Hi, I am new to this forum and a new owner of a 2006 tige 24ve. The boat has 6 kicker KS652 (75-150 watt)and 1 kicker 12" CVR sub run by a kicker 200w amp.
I want to replace the KS652 with RS652 (100-200 watt) speakers and add the Kicker KM65002 and KM6500 (Six Pac) to the Tower. I will run the tower Six Pac with a ZX4502 amp and run the 4 of the six boat speakers with 1 ZX6504 and the other 2 speakers and the 12' sub with another ZX6504 amp.

4 RS652 speakers - ZX6504
2 RS652 speakers and a 12 CVR sub - ZX6504
1 KM65002 and 1 KM6500 (six pac) - ZX4502

My questions are as follows:
1. Do I need to add another deep cycle battery to my existing EIDB dual battery system?
2. What type of batteries do you recommend?
3. Is the alternator powerful enough to add another battery (I think it is a 90 amp alternator that comes with the EIDB system?)
4. Can anyone recommend a good place that can install the audio system near Lakewood/Long Beach CA.
4. Is there anything that I am forgetting or recommended?


Thanks Bob

[chpthril]

Welcome to the sight! Just curious, why RS series over the KM6250.2?

1) depends on how much engine-off play time you want.
2) Cant beat the Ah per $$$ for a good 'ol lead-acid marine deep cycle. For a Ah to $$$ ratio, I would steer clear of Optimas.
3) The 90A alt will do fine to keep pace with the system while the engine is running, but it will not do well to replenish the batteries. You need to add an on-board charger.


What are you goals with above system? Both the sub and tower setup could benefit from more power, but it depends on what areas of the system you want to prioritize.

Here is another config to look at as an example: power all the in-boats off one zx650.4, power the 6-Pack off the other zx650.4 and bridge the CVR-12 (if its a 4 ohm dvc) off the zx450.2. This is a big increase to the sub, a slight increase to the tower with only a slight decrease to the 4 main cabin in-boats.

[socalsynergy]

Thanks for the quick response. The RS was an upgrade to the KS option for the 2006 Tige 24ve. I know that the RS is 100-200 watts and the KM is 75-225 watts. Which one sounds the best?

1. I like to listen to music in the cove 1-3 hours.
2. I am going to replace both batteries since I don't know how old they are and I think I will add another battery in parallel to the deep cycle batt?
3. Is it true that the EIDB dual battery system alternator is a 90 amp?
4 Sounds like I need a on board charger. How much does that cost?

I don't want to worry about the batteries going dead. I want a trouble free setup. Something that will be dependable and to worry about!

I think your amp configuration is a good option.

[socalsynergy]

What would be the right kicker amps to run as follows:

6 RS boat speakers
1 CVR 12" Sub
6 pack tower speakers

I have a line on kicker procucts so what would be the best amps to power this system?

[chpthril]

Thanks for the quick response. The RS was an upgrade to the KS option for the 2006 Tige 24ve. I know that the RS is 100-200 watts and the KM is 75-225 watts. Which one sounds the best?

1. I like to listen to music in the cove 1-3 hours.
2. I am going to replace both batteries since I don't know how old they are and I think I will add another battery in parallel to the deep cycle batt?
3. Is it true that the EIDB dual battery system alternator is a 90 amp?
4 Sounds like I need a on board charger. How much does that cost?

I don't want to worry about the batteries going dead. I want a trouble free setup. Something that will be dependable and to worry about!

I think your amp configuration is a good option.

The RS series is most definitely an upgrade from the KS series. I do not do a tom of car audio, so I have not listened to the RS and KM in an A/B comparison. But i will say that I am quite fond of the KM62502. But its your boat and your ears, so you really need to decide which ones you like best. I do like to recommend a true marine in-boat though. They take a lot of direct sun light and have the greatest chance of getting wet.

1) You will need at least 2 batteries for the stereo bank, but this id dependant upon the amps chosen, how they are tuned and how hard the system is played.
2)That a good idea to at least replace the existing deep-cycle if you are adding a new one. They are better suited to be the same age and type when they are wired together. In parallel would be the correct way.
3)Yes, your boat has a 90A alt and the ISO is a diode type.
4) depends. >$100 for a single battery C-Tek to $500 fro a Guest. Rule of thumb is to get one that will deliver about 10% or better of you rated Ah.

What would be the right kicker amps to run as follows:

6 RS boat speakers
1 CVR 12" Sub
6 pack tower speakers

I have a line on kicker procucts so what would be the best amps to power this system?

Going with an efficient line of amps, like the Kicker IX series:
IX1000.5 for the in-boat. It will deliver 500W rms to a 2 Ohm sub and 65W rms to the 6 in-boats.

A pair of IX500.4 amps for the tower. This is a 1000W rms setup.

Im currently doing this same amp setup in 2012 Malibu MXZ. we are running 8 in-boats and an L3-12. 1000W 6-Pack on the tower.

[socalsynergy]

I really appreciate your time and advice. I think the IX amps are a better choice and I will go with your advice. Saying that I assume that I will need the second stereo battery and a on board charger.
Also the KS speakers in my boat are 6 1/2 dia and the KM speakers are 6" dia. Could that be an issue? I would hate to order the KM speakers and not fit right.

[socalsynergy]

One more thing. Do you think I should use the Kicker ZXMRLC dual-zone controler?

[chpthril]

I really appreciate your time and advice. I think the IX amps are a better choice and I will go with your advice. Saying that I assume that I will need the second stereo battery and a on board charger.
Also the KS speakers in my boat are 6 1/2 dia and the KM speakers are 6" dia. Could that be an issue? I would hate to order the KM speakers and not fit right.

I do know that the KS650.2 did require a larger mounting hole, but I dont have the OD specs on them and the KM6250.2. I can measure a KM tomorrow when I get to the shop.

One more thing. Do you think I should use the Kicker ZXMRLC dual-zone controler?

I would definitely go with one. Along with the sub control, you would have 3 zones.

[socalsynergy]

What Kicker 12" sub would you recommend to run with the IX1000.5 amp?

[chpthril]

I really appreciate your time and advice. I think the IX amps are a better choice and I will go with your advice. Saying that I assume that I will need the second stereo battery and a on board charger.
Also the KS speakers in my boat are 6 1/2 dia and the KM speakers are 6" dia. Could that be an issue? I would hate to order the KM speakers and not fit right.

The KM has an OD of 6-7/8". So pop out one of your KS and see if the bolt pattern would ge covered by a KM.

As far as woofers go, there are a few that are good matches for the 500 @ 2 Ohm output of the IX1000.5.
CompVR-12
* L3-12 (or old L5 if someone has one left on a shelf) More surface area then a traditional round sub
* CVT-12 great sub if you need a shallow-mount sub. I would pass on this one because the 24V has plenty of room for a deeper sub and larger enclosure.
* Two KM-10 would be a perfect setup for the IX1000.5
* Id probably be ok with a CVX in a ported enclosure and 500W RMS. Thats a little light for that sub, but the ported enclosure will allow for less power then a sealed and the ported gives us more output then a sealed.

Bottom line, your available space to house the enclosure is going to be the biggest factor in the sub selection. Knowing what size you can get in there, will steer you toward the woofer that will work the best. Then go with the one that best matches the power selection.

[socalsynergy]

So I should get a 2 ohm sub?

[chpthril]

So I should get a 2 ohm sub?

You need a one dual 4 Ohm (DVC4) sub so when wired in parallel (+ to +/- to -) you end up with a 2 ohm load at the amp. This will get the 500W.

[socalsynergy]

Chpthril,
The KS mounting holes are 6 1/4 apart and the OD of the speaker is 6 1/2 inches. The KM must have a thick grill to be 6 7/8 for a 6" speaker.
Seems like it should be smaller.
PS I saw one of the threads with the Malibu, "SWEET"!!

[socalsynergy]

Alright,
After all the discussion and research Im going with:

4 KM6250.2 speakers and CVR 12" Sub - IX1000.5
2 KM6250.2 speakers - ZX2002
1 KM65002 and 1 KM6500 (six pac) - Pair of IX500.4

I will add 2 more Deep Cycle Batts and an on board charger.

A Big Thank You to Chpthril and Brent form Kicker for all your help!!!

[chpthril]

Alright,
After all the discussion and research Im going with:

4 KM6250.2 speakers and CVR 12" Sub - IX1000.5
2 KM6250.2 speakers - ZX2002
1 KM65002 and 1 KM6500 (six pac) - Pair of IX500.4

I will add 2 more Deep Cycle Batts and an on board charger.

A Big Thank You to Chpthril and Brent form Kicker for all your help!!!

Shaping up to be a rockin system. You know Kicker is coming out with their own tower enclosures? You gonna wait for them, they should be shipping next month.

You can run all 6 in-boats off the IX1000.5, so no need for the zx2002. Run the pair of bow speakers off chnls 1 & 2 and run the 4 main cabins off 3 & 4. That 1000.5 will run all day like this.