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    #46
    A quick note on the Comp VR woofers, since we have been looking at weather resistance. The CVR is a great woofer. Just be aware it has a stamped steel basket instead of a cast aluminum basket. If you are one to keep things wet, or if you are in a salt or brackish boating environment, you will have longer life and fewer red rust streaks if you go cast aluminum. If you are a fresh water boater, and the woofer is mounted high and dry, the CVR will do you well. A good round woofer from Kicker with a cast basket is the Comp VX, with L7 performance in a round woofer.

    Also, always remember that the KM10 is a bad-azz woofer, both musically and from an environmental standpoint. It has an injection-molded basket, it has drainage channels in the basket and the grill to shed any water splashed on the front. It has a sealed enclosed motor structure to keep water out, and it is magnetically shielded. The magnetic shielding doesn't mean a lot to most tow boat owners from a navigation standpoint, as a compass is usually unnecessary. BUT, the magnetic shielding in the KM10 creates a stronger magnetic force in the voice coil gap, resulting in improved sonic performance in addition to not screwing with your compass as much.


    Oh, and yes, be sure to build a box for your woofer. Most of the time a woofer without a box is kinda like a motor without a car. You can start a motor and it will rattle around but it really won;t go anywhere unless it is ina car. Same thing with a woofer.

    Quick note on woofer enclosures. I have said it lots of times before, but DO NOT use MDF for your boat's sub enclosure. Go with a good void-free 13-ply birch or marine grade plywood. There is no place for MDF on a boat; it will eventually swell and crumble, every time, even if it is coated. Lots of guys will argue with me saying that they can put a layer of fiberglass resin on an MDF to make it water-tight. It might be water tight at first, but that means any water in it can't get out either. An MDF box will always move, typically due to humidity differences and when it swells enough to put that first crack in the 'glas, it is doomed. That makes a hole for more moisture to get in, and things accelerate from there.

    Your void-free plywood will typically be made from a water-proof glue these days, and is not made from sawdust. It is real tree wood, sliced into veneer. Each layer is put down in an alternating direction, so it is dimensionally stable and basically does not shrink or swell, at least at the leve we are concerned with. Use wood glue, like Franklin's Tite-Bond II and some screws and you will be golden. With a plywood box, you really don't even need to cover it, and if you want to, use something like Sikkens Cetol, which is a breathable marine wood finish. With no covering or with the Cetol, all layers of the wood are at the same humidity and can breathe. This will prevent dry rot that some of us are familiar with in transoms and stringers.


    I don't share this to scare you; for my boating needs I could go either way on my woofer choice, cast or stamped. On the enclosure material, I will be adamant to a point of being a jerk. There is no point in buying any bad-azz woofer from any good manufacturer, only to put it in an MDF enclosure that will eventually fail. I just want to be the company guy that tells the truth and provides the best knowledge and insight, so that YOU can make a good decision.

    Phil
    Kicker
    Last edited by philwsailz; 12-30-2010, 02:40 PM.
    It's not an optical illusion.
    It just looks like one.....

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      #47
      As always, great info Phil! You might have to go to a specialty lumber yard to get the plywood, my local Home Depot and Lowes don't carry the marine grade and neither of them wanted to order it for me either.

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        #48
        Thanks Phil, nothing like a straight shooter. I will keep your advice in mind as I move forward. Your advice is, as always, appreciated by all here on TO.

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          #49
          Pertaining to MDF boxes, Phil and I have had this private conversation several times. And our opinions differ just a little. You can build an MDF box and coat it with polyester or better yet two-part epoxy resin which is less porous at a micro level. It will last if you execute everything to perfection. Use only a non-water-soluable glue. Radius the corners as coatings tend to shrink from hard edges. The build quality needs to be near perfect with tight seams. All staple, nail or screw holes must be filled with body filler and sanded smooth, and the same filler and sanded treatment with ALL seams. There can be no flaws or micro gaps for water to get a foothold. Coat the inside edge of all openings, ie woofer and terminal cup since MDF is not airtight. It slowly breaths. Caulk all inside seams with a non-latex caulk. You may not initially recognize water damage but the real damage to MDF occurs as it dries after water exposure. As it dries it expands so the next time it gets wet it will absorb water and expand four times as fast. Eventually you have MDF soup. You must build drainage into your plan. You cannot set any box directly on the sole of the boat or against any carpeted surface as any coating will eventually wick up water. Besides this sets up a moisture trap that leads to mold, mildew, little growths and odor. Elevate the enclosure with polymer mounting pads whether HDPE or Starboard. Predrill pilot holes to avoid splitting the wood. Your box should be able to withstand a constant hose running over it without damage if properly executed, IF you have it correctly sealed and as mentioned, drainage is part of the scheme. Many automotive MDF boxes are gone the first season but the carpet covering may conceal the failed bottom seams for another season or two. When you get those failed seams and leaks, the woofer loses its damping and soon to follow is a driver with a fatiqued spider, a major loss in sound quality and premature failure.
          What I'm saying is that the construction execution and installation execution is as important as the materials you use, maybe more important.
          So if MDF is all that is available to you then you can make it work reliably by taking all these steps.
          But if you can access the better materials such as solvent-based-adhesive constucted void-free ply, MEDEX, MDO, etc, then by all means go the better route. And use the construction techniques above in any case.

          David
          Earmark Marine
          www.earmarkmarine.com

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