GM quality

[Fast1911]

Toyota just passed GM in sales for the first time in like 75 years.

I think you mean first time ever

[Domsz06]

Domz06, just out of curiosity what is your definition of old? Over here in yorba linda calif you go to the store and its surburban, escalade, yukon, heaven. Just on my street (12houses), we have two silverados (duramax), three suburbans, ford p.u. ,escalade, two tahoes, jeep cherokee and a ford explorer
I had a dodge intrepid with the 3.5l engine. That car just ran and ran. Biggest repair was the water pump. It had 217k+ miles on it when i got a toyota camry with a v6 that never rode anywhere near as nice as the intrepid and the gas mileage was almost the same. The seating in the camry was not as comfortable. Never was real happy with it. Had a 1999 GMC Yukon 4x4. Great SUV and very reliable. Good hard pulling suv. Now its the Duramax. What a machine. Absolutely great. Also had a 77 olds cutlass supreme. Great car. Have a toyota highlander and its ok nothing to write home about. It sure is easy to get gm /ford parts also. that is my
You do have a nice vet!

the game that he wanted to play was anything 15 years old and older. My corolla 17 years old and still starts and runs like a champ. I think anything over 10 years is old.

I really think its all in the buyer. I think my german cars ride so much better and quieter then any american car, while you think the oppoisite. Each to his own pretty much.

[dogbert]

I think my german cars ride so much better and quieter then any american car, while you think the oppoisite. Each to his own pretty much.

Especially when you're going fast!

[Domsz06]

the thing is really up to the buyer. I will say that american's know trucks, but cars, I beg to differ. I have not had as good as experience with domestic cars as gman has, but that does not make him right or me wrong. It's really just up to the person. I know my S5 costs more to drive, but man is it fun to drive, just like Sparky says. My vette is a blast to drive too. SO it's all just up to the driver I think. My brother hates domestic cars except for HP, other then that all he has is Imports, my step bro's are the same, domestic trucks, import cars.

I really just don't know if there is a clear winner here.

[Domsz06]

Especially when you're going fast!

I so agree!!

I was doing 110 in my S5 and didn't even know it. I was talking to my mom and carley and we didn't even have to raise my voice, man was it quiet!!!

[dogbert]

I so agree!!

I was doing 110 in my S5 and didn't even know it. I was talking to my mom and carley and we didn't even have to raise my voice, man was it quiet!!!

Years ago we had a BMW 540 in Germany. It's amazing how quiet it was going 150 down the Autobahn...I didn't even realize I was going that fast.

[Domsz06]

Years ago we had a BMW 540 in Germany. It's amazing how quiet it was going 150 down the Autobahn...I didn't even realize I was going that fast.

I would believe that! They make the cars good cuz of that road! Gotta be quiet because they all drive fast!!

[spenchey2]

I hope you are right spenchy2! I would love a more reliable domestic vehicle!

I wonder what they mean by quality? It might be better quality in the initial purchase, but down the road what is the reliability? I keep my cars for 10 years. I have personally owned two toyotas over 350,000 miles each. I sold them still running, dependably, with the original drive trains intact. I did not have the same experience with my domestic vehicles as gman is having.

GM has 100,000 mile warranty, transferable. Toyota is 60,000 miles. Thats a pretty bold statement considering the typical american won't own their car very far past 100k. Not saying that some of you guys dont hold cars until they die (like me).

[TeamAllen]

I wonder if that 100,000 mile warranty isn't what hurts their bottom line. It is a obviously a sales tactic to build confidence in the consumer, but a liability to the possible repairs needed to maintain the vehicles between 60 - 100K miles.

I am a roofing contractor. I had a customer who owned a lot of commercial properties. We had a good relationship with this elderly owner. He would always get another bid when it came time to put a new roof on one of his buildings. On this particular building the other contractor got the better of us on price. The owner became worried once the job had started and paid us to evaluate the other contractors work. He trusted us. Of course the workmanship was well below average. After voicing our concerns to the owner, the other contractor assured the owner his work was good and he would give him a 20 year warranty to help put his mind at ease. Sometime later the new roof was leaking, the contractor gone, no warranty, an apology from the owner and more work for me.

Sorry for the long story and I'm NOT saying GM or any other car manufacturers are making bad products. From that personal experience, I learned that by extending a warranty on a product doesn't always make it better, just provides more security for the consumer as long as the company is there to deliver.

Like spenchey2, I am more interested in well after any warranty is over. 200-300K range. Spend your money on what you think is best and works for you.

[Domsz06]

GM has 100,000 mile warranty, transferable. Toyota is 60,000 miles. Thats a pretty bold statement considering the typical american won't own their car very far past 100k. Not saying that some of you guys dont hold cars until they die (like me).

they do it based on the fact that most people will not transfer it in the time when they sell it. Also, they are very strict on making sure u didn't void it. I have heard it's a huge issue to get stuff taken care of under warrenty. Lots of GM's also will not service u if you didn't buy it from them. I know they are supposed to, but they won't. Just my experience with my z

I wonder if that 100,000 mile warranty isn't what hurts their bottom line. It is a obviously a sales tactic to build confidence in the consumer, but a liability to the possible repairs needed to maintain the vehicles between 60 - 100K miles.

I am a roofing contractor. I had a customer who owned a lot of commercial properties. We had a good relationship with this elderly owner. He would always get another bid when it came time to put a new roof on one of his buildings. On this particular building the other contractor got the better of us on price. The owner became worried once the job had started and paid us to evaluate the other contractors work. He trusted us. Of course the workmanship was well below average. After voicing our concerns to the owner, the other contractor assured the owner his work was good and he would give him a 20 year warranty to help put his mind at ease. Sometime later the new roof was leaking, the contractor gone, no warranty, an apology from the owner and more work for me.

Sorry for the long story and I'm NOT saying GM or any other car manufacturers are making bad products. From that personal experience, I learned that by extending a warranty on a product doesn't always make it better, just provides more security for the consumer as long as the company is there to deliver.

Like spenchey2, I am more interested in well after any warranty is over. 200-300K range. Spend your money on what you think is best and works for you.

well said allen. I agree though if people don't move, and get the warrenty serviced maybe the dealers are putting more under warrenty then what is needed. Oh well I still think we can argue all day on who is better and who is not

[spenchey2]

they do it based on the fact that most people will not transfer it in the time when they sell it. Also, they are very strict on making sure u didn't void it. I have heard it's a huge issue to get stuff taken care of under warrenty. Lots of GM's also will not service u if you didn't buy it from them. I know they are supposed to, but they won't. Just my experience with my z

1. Its the dealers fault for not servicing you. They miss out on the chance to build a relationship and potentially getting your business. What we do is if you didn't buy it from us and we have current customer cars to work on you go to the back of the line and you have to leave you car here while you wait.
2. I might be wrong but I think the warranty is automatic transfer. Maybe a signature or too, but nothing major. I'm not sure though, maybe there is someone on here that does know for sure.

[teachercop]

I beleive the preception also equates to resale value...

Wife was in an accident, our vehicle (Toyota) was 'total loss.' When we replaced the vehicle, I looked at resale values based on what I learned from the accident. Even if you do not elect to sell or trade, if the vehicle is a 'total loss' that is money lost in my opinion depending how the vehicle rates in the market.

[dogbert]

I believe the preception also equates to resale value...

Maybe, but I think there's more to it than that. Part of it has to do with supply and demand. Imports typically have higher resale value because there's fewer of them on the market. GM cars have lower resale value because they dump a lot of cars on the market, either through pre-determined allocations or via their rental fleet programs. Last, but not least, durability has an impact on resale value. For example, the Honda Accord has enjoyed high resale value because it's been pretty reliable and economical to own. I recently purchased an '09 Jetta TDI as a daily driver. The TDI models have been poster child alternative fuel vehicles and, being a diesel, tend to run for a long time. Consequently, they have incredible resale values. I plan on driving mine for a long time and eventually do whatever conversion is required to make it run on B100. It'll be a little while, tho.

[TeamAllen]

I think that is part of it too Dog. If someone is happy with and enjoy their car, they will more than likely hold on to it longer. Thereby reducing the amount, of that particular used car, on the market and increasing the value.

[Domsz06]

1. Its the dealers fault for not servicing you. They miss out on the chance to build a relationship and potentially getting your business. What we do is if you didn't buy it from us and we have current customer cars to work on you go to the back of the line and you have to leave you car here while you wait.
2. I might be wrong but I think the warranty is automatic transfer. Maybe a signature or too, but nothing major. I'm not sure though, maybe there is someone on here that does know for sure.

in answer to #1 your right, but they can't rip u off on warranty work.

2, I was told it's not an automatic and if you don't do it in x number of days, it's a no go. SOrry u loose. But that's just what they told me.

I have no problem waiting in line, but I won't leave my car outside in the ghetto where the dealer is, sorry not leaving a 70+k car outside. I told them I would leave it for a day, they said no good, so I just said LJ(*U_PHLKJ off. oh well. no worries.