BluRay Vs HDDVD

[da.bell]

Point well taken...

We got the Harry Potter series on HDDVD the other day.... Guess what I am going to start watching tonight???? Well, maybe the first two movies in the series.

[ragboy]

I got that for my kids for xmas also. I also got battlestar galactica season 1, it was awesome rewatching on hddvd. Still haven't seen potter.

[zad0030]

Bluray vs HDDVD....winner is neither.

http://blogs.inquirer.net/atplay/200...dvd-who-cares/

[TeamAllen]

Maybe studios are supporting Blu-Ray because it has been holding off the hackers?

[ragboy]

Bluray is also hackable. I have software that decrypts both.

[da.bell]

There really isn't anything out that can not be hacked. It might take time but it will eventually get hacked. Unfortunate but true.

[spharis]

There are copy protection methods and DRM for Blu-Ray that are not yet cracked, however they are not being used entirely. You can bet Sony is going to start using it once it starts moving more movies. Rootkit with your movie anyone? You can also bet a major factor in the studios moving to Blu is due to the additional copy protection that Sony is selling as unbreakable. These greedy jacks are also making it more expensive for anyone that needs more regions by region locking. I refuse to support Sony and will openly admit to downloading illegally until they stop pushing socialist ideas on the consumer. I stopped purchasing RIAA studio releases long ago for the same reasons. If consumers would do the same, this would be stopped and you would be free to do what you wanted with media you paid for.

BluRay: AACS (cracked) BD+ (not cracked) BD-ROM Mark (not cracked) + region coding (PITA)

vs.

HD-DVD: AACS (cracked)

Both the competing Blu-Ray and HD-DVD formats will use the Advanced Access Content System, which was specifically designed for next-generation optical discs. However, the Blu-Ray group will also secure its discs with ROM Mark, a method to identify authentic Blu-Ray discs, as well as "BD+", which will serve to dynamically update the rights-management schemes in case workarounds or other cracks are discovered and exploited.

The Blu-Ray Disc Association is comprised of 143 members, including Apple, Dell, Hewlett Packard, Hitachi, LG Electronics, Mitsubishi, Panasonic Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sony, TDK, Twentieth Century Fox, and Walt Disney Pictures and Television.

The additional protection schemes proved to be the tipping point for Fox, a company executive said. The studio announced last Friday that it would be releasing its content on the Blu-ray format.

"We made no secret when we approached both formats that we'd make a decision primarily on content protection," said Andrew Setos, president of engineering for the Fox Entertainment Group, in an interview.

"Our announcement last Friday that we would be in fact publishing on Blu-Ray disc best was a result of content protection, and no other issues," Setos added, including the potential cost of replicating the discs.

[da.bell]

Here is another interesting article.

http://news.zdnet.com/2010-9584_22-6226725.html

[da.bell]

You can also bet a major factor in the studios moving to Blu is due to the additional copy protection that Sony is selling as unbreakable.

I'm going to raise the flag on the unbreakable part. It probably hasn't been broken because there isn't a need to break it at this time.

[spharis]

I'm going to raise the flag on the unbreakable part. It probably hasn't been broken because there isn't a need to break it at this time.

Are you familiar with how Apple's DRM works? It hasn't been broken unless by digital recording (virtual card to card) and Sony's BD+ works very similar if I understand it correclty. The idea on Blu is that the players are updated along with discs, so while the old disc may be broken, new releases are not. Unbreakable, of course not, but a major pain in the *** that cost comsumers more money for every purchase made...you bet. Why support it? 50 years ago this crap would never have worked for a company.

[ragboy]

Whether or not something gets cracked, has only to do with how bad people want to crack it. Bluray AACS is not completely hacked, but it will be, too many people want that one.

Apple iTunes DRM has been cracked and relocked several times by apple. I have used some of them many times. I don't pirate, but I hate the 5 machine rule. However, now with apple tv and drm free music, I don't even care about apple drm.

Apple DRM was removable by a program called HYMN, then JHYMN, and now it is called QTFairUse.

AudioHiJack is an example of a program that reads the audio stream to the soundcard, like spharis mentions, so its not true drm removal. Because it decodes the protected AAC to soundstream, then would have to reencode back and you would lose some quality.

However, QTFairUse does NOT lose quality, and does remove DRM with its unique approach. You can read how it works here, which does a pretty good job of explaining.

http://www.chaosmint.com/macintosh/a...s-itunes.shtml

The short of it it, apple drm has been cracked, for a long time, it is only til just recently, iTunes 7.6 has come out, that it is broken, but they have always come out with an update to fix it.

I don't think anyone has made any serious attempt to hack apple drm'd movies, but there has been no reason too. You can just rip the dvd with handbrake. Now that apple movies will be of full SD and HD quality, and HD with 5.1, that may be another story.

[da.bell]

Are you familiar with how Apple's DRM works? It hasn't been broken unless by digital recording (virtual card to card) and Sony's BD+ works very similar if I understand it correclty. The idea on Blu is that the players are updated along with discs, so while the old disc may be broken, new releases are not. Unbreakable, of course not, but a major pain in the *** that cost comsumers more money for every purchase made...you bet. Why support it? 50 years ago this crap would never have worked for a company.

Not familiar with Apple's DRM but from experience nothing is unbreakable. However, they are making it hard to obtain illigal copies of the file but again, "if there is a will, there is a way!"

[ragboy]

Article out today, that gives more details, and talks about the sums of money that changed hands.

http://gizmodo.com/346783/the-truth-...hd-dvds-demise

[ragboy]

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/22/b...rner-went-blu/

[spharis]

I read an article today discussing that MS had backed HDDVD to basically force the format war to help XBOX live and dl-able media out in the long run.