Ford PSD 6.7 Real world MPG

[Domsz06]

Nick Weinacker got a similar system to pay for itself. He drove his truck and RZ4 all over the country 2 years ago and put like 40k miles in 1 summer and didn't pay for 1 tank of diesel, it was all oil from restaurants. That's the year that diesel was $5 a gallon. Whatever system he had, had some crazy filtration system on it so that he didn't have to mess with it, just dumped it in and went.

from what I have found you end up spending on the low side 10 grand by the time it's all said and done for parts, tanks, heaters, filters, prefilters at home, etc.

If you say you get 10mpg since most of you use it to tow and right now diesel is what 3 a gallon? to break even you have to drive 33,333 miles.

That's also not counting all the other filters you have to buy, and assuming you don't break anything in your engine. So again it's great idea, and if the oil you have access to is free and you can always get it, then it's sweet set up, go for it. but for most of us, unless you have money just laying around and like the idea it's not practical.

[Timmy!]

I agree with you 100%, right now it won't pay for itself anytime soon but 2 years ago when diesel was $5 a gallon and you could get the oil for free you could make out pretty good. I think Nick might have even gotten the system free as well, can't remember. It's way too much hassle for me personally.

[Domsz06]

it really wouldn't pay for its self that much faster at 5. The kicker IMO is that one you gotta have a source for it.

2) you gottta make darn sure they don't or won't ever use lye

3) you have to replace the filters a lot, and also if they use frozen stuff it will have more water in it so you gotta get that out. Some of the filters people said were 100 a pop, and go out every 500-1000 miles, some set ups had 5 filters... 500 every 1000 miles? that's more then diesel.

so I just don't see it, but hey like we have said if you have the coin who cares lol.

[dom w. forte]

Daily driver here too. 40k mile in 2 1/2 years on ours.

Negative on the Ford trucks outselling GM. They outsell Chevy but if you throw in GMC (Same trucks), GM outsells Ford every year except for last year.

If you count the top ten trucks sold in the world, Ford holds 5 of those positions for the last 15 years.

[ajholt7]

[QUOTE=RockRig;431768]Note: I The Allison is the best stock transmission, but the Fords just seem to keep running.

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I heard that the Allison in the GM's is not strong at all. It is not the Allison that made Allison famous.

[91Terminator]

it really wouldn't pay for its self that much faster at 5. The kicker IMO is that one you gotta have a source for it.

2) you gottta make darn sure they don't or won't ever use lye

3) you have to replace the filters a lot, and also if they use frozen stuff it will have more water in it so you gotta get that out. Some of the filters people said were 100 a pop, and go out every 500-1000 miles, some set ups had 5 filters... 500 every 1000 miles? that's more then diesel.

so I just don't see it, but hey like we have said if you have the coin who cares lol.

Well if you had your facts correct you would see it.
Number 1 when its all said and done you end up spending about 6,000.00. Number 2 everyone will give you free oil, i have 3 sources, and 2 of them give 20 gals a week. The other is too much oil for me. I did not spend more then 3 days and got that much oil.
Number 3 a case of 12 donaldson filters cost 159.00 and you only use 1 every 15,000 miles. Racor pre filters case of 12 is 105.00 and you use 3 a year so 13.25 + 8.75(*3) = 39.50 a year in filters.
Number 4 The worse MPG you get the quicker it pays for it self. It only takes me driving about 15 to 20k a year 16 months to pay for it self.
Number 5 The kits are heated tanks and heated manifolds and only takes about 3 to 5 miles to automatically switch over in very cold weather northern states. Im in FL and mine will switch over in about 3 mins, so I get a remote start and walk to the door in my underwear and by the time im dressed for work its already making me money.
Number 6 Plus if you just want to go the easy route, you can buy tons of pre filtered oil for about 1.00 a gal to 1.10 a gal and that will still pay for it self.
Number 7 this kit is well worth it, not only can you run veg...but also kerosine, bio diesel, deisel, and even used motor oil, tranny fluid.
Number 8 filtering it only takes about 1 hours out of my day. I come home take it out of my truck, stick a hose in it, and the other end in my storage tank, the flip a switch and sit there, and time the duty cycle on the pump. on off on off im done. 2 times a week is well worth my time.

As for the damages - I will be purchasing a F250/F350 with the 5 year/100,000 mile warranty anything that might break will be under factory warranty. Plus when that runs out i will purchase an extended warranty because the 6.0L has so many issues on its own its worth it.

So no im not kidding i will not be going to the pumps like you.

[Carter13]

How many people here use their truck as a daily driver? I really only use mine for towing our hauling bigger stuff around.

I use mine every day. 40 miles round trip to work and lots of camping.
07 PSD with 48,000 miles.

[Domsz06]

Well if you had your facts correct you would see it.
Number 1 when its all said and done you end up spending about 6,000.00. Number 2 everyone will give you free oil, i have 3 sources, and 2 of them give 20 gals a week. The other is too much oil for me. I did not spend more then 3 days and got that much oil.
Number 3 a case of 12 donaldson filters cost 159.00 and you only use 1 every 15,000 miles. Racor pre filters case of 12 is 105.00 and you use 3 a year so 13.25 + 8.75(*3) = 39.50 a year in filters.
Number 4 The worse MPG you get the quicker it pays for it self. It only takes me driving about 15 to 20k a year 16 months to pay for it self.
Number 5 The kits are heated tanks and heated manifolds and only takes about 3 to 5 miles to automatically switch over in very cold weather northern states. Im in FL and mine will switch over in about 3 mins, so I get a remote start and walk to the door in my underwear and by the time im dressed for work its already making me money.
Number 6 Plus if you just want to go the easy route, you can buy tons of pre filtered oil for about 1.00 a gal to 1.10 a gal and that will still pay for it self.
Number 7 this kit is well worth it, not only can you run veg...but also kerosine, bio diesel, deisel, and even used motor oil, tranny fluid.
Number 8 filtering it only takes about 1 hours out of my day. I come home take it out of my truck, stick a hose in it, and the other end in my storage tank, the flip a switch and sit there, and time the duty cycle on the pump. on off on off im done. 2 times a week is well worth my time.

As for the damages - I will be purchasing a F250/F350 with the 5 year/100,000 mile warranty anything that might break will be under factory warranty. Plus when that runs out i will purchase an extended warranty because the 6.0L has so many issues on its own its worth it.

So no im not kidding i will not be going to the pumps like you.

Lol my facts are correct. You can't get oil in all parts of the country, and I seriously doubt you can get it from all the places all the time you speak of. UNLESS you know them personally.

as for your filters I'm just stating what others are having issues on when you go and read the forums, so here goes.

for the kit you spoke of by time you buy all of the parts 6 grand covers just parts, then you have to have someone install it, unless you can do it yourself, which most can't so there is nother say grand. You need 3500 for the kit, 1275 for the tank and then 600 for the pump. so here we go 7,000. (you haven't even built your filtering station, your tow tanks to get it, or your pumps/buckets to get the oil out. You can't just put the oil into the tank, you have to filter it or you blow through your other filets even faster, so add another min 1500 but more like 2-3grand)

2) You can get it now, but unless you know them it will be an issue in the future... so that's a wash.

3) On the forums no one makes it 15k on a filter. If you do then you'd be one of the first. most were making around 3k on the filter. even though that's till a moot point.

4) true.

5) people are having issues idling, so you have to purchase a high idle tune... again money.

6) wasn't aware you could buy prefiltered oil. if you can that's a bonus

7)



Your buying a truck with a warranty, you think Ford is going to warranty anything when you have been running fuel in it that it doesn't say belongs in it? I really doubt that, unless you have an inside connection in the Ford Dealership that that's not what the average person has so it's not a fair deal. I'm sure you could take the whole kit off, then take it in, but they will figure it out.

Also, one lye batch of oil and bye bye injectors. Ford isn't gonna cover that. so that's 1500-2000 out of your pocket.

the government is working on taxing this, imagine that, and also if for some reason the EPA finds you no vechicle is leagal to run veggie oil. Do you have emmissions testing in FL?


So back to all this debacle, yes it makes sense, and yes i agree your going to save money. I never drove my truck that much. In most peoples cases it's not worth it. Also I wouldn't be willing to ruin a new truck with it, because I HIGHLY doubt you will get a dealer to warranty anything on that truck related to the power train, unless you take everything off, and that's a PITA IMO and I value my time more then what it's worth. Also the 6.0 my brother had went through 2 sets of injectors on diesel, not even running anything else and they were 2 grand a set to replace.

I guess when push comes to shove if you drive as much as you do, can get free oil and you know it's lye free, and your willing to play the risk on warranty being voided then yeah your right it is worth it. I think your total kit cost is still low, but that will just mean you will pay it off in prob 2 years which is not a big deal. Also based on the veggistroke blogs no one is gettting 15k on a filter... And you also have to buy filters for the filtering system...

So if you have the money laying around, can do the work yourself, can get all the oil you want, and don't mind getting a bit messy and taking up your bed with the tank sounds like a plan and until the government steps in and taxes it/you can't find oil/or the 5.0 stop and harass you it sounds like a fun project. Have fun

[91Terminator]

Lol my facts are correct. You can't get oil in all parts of the country, and I seriously doubt you can get it from all the places all the time you speak of. UNLESS you know them personally.

as for your filters I'm just stating what others are having issues on when you go and read the forums, so here goes.

for the kit you spoke of by time you buy all of the parts 6 grand covers just parts, then you have to have someone install it, unless you can do it yourself, which most can't so there is nother say grand. You need 3500 for the kit, 1275 for the tank and then 600 for the pump. so here we go 7,000. (you haven't even built your filtering station, your tow tanks to get it, or your pumps/buckets to get the oil out. You can't just put the oil into the tank, you have to filter it or you blow through your other filets even faster, so add another min 1500 but more like 2-3grand)

2) You can get it now, but unless you know them it will be an issue in the future... so that's a wash.

3) On the forums no one makes it 15k on a filter. If you do then you'd be one of the first. most were making around 3k on the filter. even though that's till a moot point.

4) true.

5) people are having issues idling, so you have to purchase a high idle tune... again money.

6) wasn't aware you could buy prefiltered oil. if you can that's a bonus

7)



Your buying a truck with a warranty, you think Ford is going to warranty anything when you have been running fuel in it that it doesn't say belongs in it? I really doubt that, unless you have an inside connection in the Ford Dealership that that's not what the average person has so it's not a fair deal. I'm sure you could take the whole kit off, then take it in, but they will figure it out.

Also, one lye batch of oil and bye bye injectors. Ford isn't gonna cover that. so that's 1500-2000 out of your pocket.

the government is working on taxing this, imagine that, and also if for some reason the EPA finds you no vechicle is leagal to run veggie oil. Do you have emmissions testing in FL?


So back to all this debacle, yes it makes sense, and yes i agree your going to save money. I never drove my truck that much. In most peoples cases it's not worth it. Also I wouldn't be willing to ruin a new truck with it, because I HIGHLY doubt you will get a dealer to warranty anything on that truck related to the power train, unless you take everything off, and that's a PITA IMO and I value my time more then what it's worth. Also the 6.0 my brother had went through 2 sets of injectors on diesel, not even running anything else and they were 2 grand a set to replace.

I guess when push comes to shove if you drive as much as you do, can get free oil and you know it's lye free, and your willing to play the risk on warranty being voided then yeah your right it is worth it. I think your total kit cost is still low, but that will just mean you will pay it off in prob 2 years which is not a big deal. Also based on the veggistroke blogs no one is gettting 15k on a filter... And you also have to buy filters for the filtering system...

So if you have the money laying around, can do the work yourself, can get all the oil you want, and don't mind getting a bit messy and taking up your bed with the tank sounds like a plan and until the government steps in and taxes it/you can't find oil/or the 5.0 stop and harass you it sounds like a fun project. Have fun

1. Both places are giving me 20 gal a week every week i just have to go get it when they empty the frier. The 3rd place is really good friends with me so i can always get oil from him. As far as oil in the country, if your stuck any where you can go to a connivence store, publix, walmart, and get you a gal or 2 to get somewhere. 2 gals of oil will get ya 32 miles. Plus the kit only works if there is diesel in your truck to start and stop so if you run out you will always have a few gals of diesel.

2. DFA's Kit has everything you need and it cost 4350.00 with an 80gal tank. I have another 350 bucks in 2 275gal tote tanks, a filtering unit, and stuff to pick it up in, and for trips you get the 5 gal cubies from the places you get oil for free.

3. Plenty of people go a solid year on the truck filter. for me thats 15K. Which can easily be done.

4. Ford's that have the AUX Switches have a high idle already.

5. Lots of people have had there trucks warranties. Blown gaskets, EGR's, Coolers, oil leaks, all have nothing to do with fuel systems. Thats all that will need to be warranted. And i do know people at my dealership.

6. First its not illegal. Your wrong the law states that you can not run anything as a full time fuel. So if they happen to pull me over and want to check things out i have a 2 tank system (mixture, bio). Plus all i have to say is its a aux diesel tank. Also no emis. testing in FL but if they did all i have to do is flip a switch and its running on diesel in 1:30.

So once again there is no problems with it. You just have to spend time finding the right oil Which i did. Id rather spend 50 bucks a year on 3 to 4 filters then 3800.00 a year in fuel. Your numbers are way off. It would not be worth it if the kit was 10K, now if your crazy and go overboard with filtering and all that jazz it can easily go that far but mine will be at 6K at the highest.

I drive my truck everyday, everywhere, i am a boat dealer, and that is why its needed. going to the lake 3 times a day is not fun on your fuel tank. Bottom line is if you drive a lot its well worth it.

i have no problem running diesel if it goes down to 1.50 its fine i can always keep the kit on the truck and use it when i need it, it makes nice for vacation. you got a 28 gal tank and then 80 gal of vegg. non stop trips is what that says to me.

[Domsz06]

1. Both places are giving me 20 gal a week every week i just have to go get it when they empty the frier. The 3rd place is really good friends with me so i can always get oil from him. As far as oil in the country, if your stuck any where you can go to a connivence store, publix, walmart, and get you a gal or 2 to get somewhere. 2 gals of oil will get ya 32 miles. Plus the kit only works if there is diesel in your truck to start and stop so if you run out you will always have a few gals of diesel.

2. DFA's Kit has everything you need and it cost 4350.00 with an 80gal tank. I have another 350 bucks in 2 275gal tote tanks, a filtering unit, and stuff to pick it up in, and for trips you get the 5 gal cubies from the places you get oil for free.

3. Plenty of people go a solid year on the truck filter. for me thats 15K. Which can easily be done.

4. Ford's that have the AUX Switches have a high idle already.

5. Lots of people have had there trucks warranties. Blown gaskets, EGR's, Coolers, oil leaks, all have nothing to do with fuel systems. Thats all that will need to be warranted. And i do know people at my dealership.

6. First its not illegal. Your wrong the law states that you can not run anything as a full time fuel. So if they happen to pull me over and want to check things out i have a 2 tank system (mixture, bio). Plus all i have to say is its a aux diesel tank. Also no emis. testing in FL but if they did all i have to do is flip a switch and its running on diesel in 1:30.

So once again there is no problems with it. You just have to spend time finding the right oil Which i did. Id rather spend 50 bucks a year on 3 to 4 filters then 3800.00 a year in fuel. Your numbers are way off. It would not be worth it if the kit was 10K, now if your crazy and go overboard with filtering and all that jazz it can easily go that far but mine will be at 6K at the highest.

I drive my truck everyday, everywhere, i am a boat dealer, and that is why its needed. going to the lake 3 times a day is not fun on your fuel tank. Bottom line is if you drive a lot its well worth it.

i have no problem running diesel if it goes down to 1.50 its fine i can always keep the kit on the truck and use it when i need it, it makes nice for vacation. you got a 28 gal tank and then 80 gal of vegg. non stop trips is what that says to me.

1) that's a bonus for you, so like I said before congrats. Not eveyrone can get it nor has the hook up's like you do. Your a boat dealer so you know people.

2) I realize now the tank is an 800 bucks, so yeah for 4350 it's comes to your door, and either you can instal it or have one of your techs. Not everyone can, so another bonus for you. I have never know places to refill their oil into the plastic/metal contrainers, where I have worked in the kitches, it goes into a big tank and you would have to pump it out, hence where I came up with it, so again another advantage for you and also being in florida it will never harden, so once again an advantage for you, not everyone has.

3) on the forums/blogs they replace em every 10k or sooner. read for yourself. granted some probably don't need to but where my fact came from.

http://www.dinofuelalternatives.com/...read.php?t=743

5) again since you know people it's not what the average joe has. So for the average person it's a risk. Something I wouldn't take the risk of. Yes I know what's not related to the fuel you have a point, but if you reread I said INJECTORS and that is fuel. One batch of lye and your screwed. Yes you know your oil but again not everyone does.

6) yes it is illegal in that part of the point of buying from the gas staions is your paying your road tax, fuel tax, etc etc. Your not paying your tax so um last time I checked not paying taxes is illegal(unless your state doesn't have a road tax on gas/diesel couldn't find FL's, I know TX's does). Also the EPA states that vegetable oil raw or recycled is not registered for use as a vehicle fuel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_oil_fuel


So i believe your wrong guess it just depends on how you read the rules.


Like I said and you said in your last statement if you drive a lot, then it's worth it. I admited in your case it is worth it in my last post. I tend to go overboard when I build something. You have several advantages in your case the average person doesn't, and several things going for you. For the average person it's still not worth it IMO. You also have "hook up's" by being a boat dealer that the average person doesn't have. That is why I said the things I said earlier.

Like I said from the get go, unless you have disposable income, drive a lot, or have "hook-up's" IMO it's not worth it for the average person to do this, no matter what the cost is if there truck is still under warranty.

Best of luck and hope it works out for you.

oh yeah, diesel will never go down to 1.50 again since they passed the ULSD. Our refineries have to use a better crude now and so the refining cost goes up thank the government for that.

[Domsz06]

91Terminator,

Did you read this? Kind of an interesting article on SVO for fuel.

http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/f...s_SVOpaper.pdf

[91Terminator]

91Terminator,

Did you read this? Kind of an interesting article on SVO for fuel.

http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/f...s_SVOpaper.pdf

ill read it tonight.

Im not aruging with you i just was joking around in the begining and you came in and was like thats stupid.

Well yes for some its a waste but everything happens to work out in my situation. Thats why im doing it. I also happen to love the company, the forum, everything reminds me of tige, so i was just doing my part in support the company by posting there site on here.

Also the smaller restaurants you go to the better they like you and the more friendly they are and they normally funnel the oil into the cubbies they came in and throw them in a special dumpster.
One of mine happens to be 3 doors down form our dealership, so its nice and we are on a first name basis.

[Domsz06]

I am highly opinionated and feel in this case for u it works. 99% it doesn't.

I have never seen a place funnel it back in so yeah that does make it easier for you.

I'm sure you will have fun and it will work for you.

I hate being wrong or called it so I get defensive. Even when I am wrong lol. I look at doing this years ago and just didn't see the benefit. Good luck let us know how it goes and post pics.

[Tanner]

Damn I disappear for a week and look what this turns into? LOL

BTW, the new truck is in. Getting 13.7 city so Far. Waiting for a highway trip Thursday!

[Domsz06]

Damn I disappear for a week and look what this turns into? LOL

BTW, the new truck is in. Getting 13.7 city so Far. Waiting for a highway trip Thursday!

Sorry tanner