Im lost without the PW thread!!!!

[philwsailz]

So I am pro-2A, but see two ways.

1. Who needs thousands of rounds of ammo? That being said, we should be constitutionally free to do so, based on the COnstitution's mandate that we be able to form a militia to prevent tyranny. Who can muster an effective militia with hundred of rounds? I might bend on this one though and allow limitations to purchase of ammunition. It probably is moot, as it is too easy to reload

2. License? I am a pro-license advocate for boat owners. Too many folks buy watercraft with not even the slightest knowledge of basic rules of the road. A first-time new boat owner is a deadly boat owner. I could go for very stiff penalties for unlicensed ownership.


Man, I will stop there. I can;t come up with anyhting good. For both of these, I se what on the surface looks like it might be helpful, but both can be considered unconstitutional, and if we are going to build bureaucracies to manage either, I think the money is better spent building a beureacracy to help the sick people out...

I don't know, but I am not giving up my guns.

[Timmy!]

Well said Phil. CO only requires like a 4 hour class(doesn't have to be hands on) to have a CCW, kind of scary that someone with 4 hours of training is now free to roam the streets with a gun under their shirt. I want the right to own guns, of almost any kind, but do I really "need" a 30 round magazine? What's the justification for that? Next, how did we get along all those years that high capacity mag's were banned?

[Bruizza]

The argument that only criminals will have these things if banned (30 round magazines etc...) doesn't hold much weight for me. These mass shootings aren't done by career criminals. They are done by one time criminals who are mentally ill. The shooter in Colorado had a 100 round magazine. He killed all those people without having to reload once. At least if they have to reload or switch weapons there is a small window of opportunity to escape or take out the gunman. Banning guns isn't the answer. However getting rid of things like 100 round and 30 round clips seems reasonable.

[philwsailz]

The argument that only criminals will have these things if banned (30 round magazines etc...) doesn't hold much weight for me. These mass shootings aren't done by career criminals. They are done by one time criminals who are mentally ill. The shooter in Colorado had a 100 round magazine. He killed all those people without having to reload once. At least if they have to reload or switch weapons there is a small window of opportunity to escape or take out the gunman. Banning guns isn't the answer. However getting rid of things like 100 round and 30 round clips seems reasonable.

I could probably take that. Probably... It makes equipping a militia harder, but then the militia can go to the black market where the high-volume clips are still available, right?

There is no perfect solution I have heard, but this one seems the best as I am typing. I agree, a limit to magazine size seems at least one possible reasonable way.... If we could find a way to manage the mentally ill better it would be a better solution, as it gets to the source of the problem, but I don't know how to do that.

[Bruizza]

Yes ultimately addressing the social issues of these folks is the best way to deal with it. That is going to be even tougher than trying to figure out how to deal with the guns side of things. This is literally one of the most complex issues out there.

[Bruizza]

My buddy just had a good point in the whole guns vs social side of thigs

I believe they are literally going to waste a billion dollars on this, to save 20 lives a year, when a billion dollars into mental health would save thousands

[Timmy!]

Arguably there are more laws/legislation than ever needed so it's time to address the other issues, wish I had a real solution to the problem.

[Timmy!]

My buddy just had a good point in the whole guns vs social side of thigs

I believe they are literally going to waste a billion dollars on this, to save 20 lives a year, when a billion dollars into mental health would save thousands

That is the best point I have heard!

[skippabcool]

So, my wife and I went to her Christmas party Saturday night. Cash bar and waiters walking around with Champagne... About 11:00 she said it was time to go home. We both looked at each other and decided we should not take our car home. We decided to take a taxi cab. I felt very responsible.

Now it is Monday morning, and I am considering my options. Do you think it would be a good idea to put a taxi cab up for auction on e-bay? Right now I got this big yellow car out in my shop, I don't know how to turn off the meter, and I am not sure I want to drive it back out and leave it somewhere in broad daylight....

LOL

[skippabcool]

The argument that only criminals will have these things if banned (30 round magazines etc...) doesn't hold much weight for me. These mass shootings aren't done by career criminals. They are done by one time criminals who are mentally ill. The shooter in Colorado had a 100 round magazine. He killed all those people without having to reload once. At least if they have to reload or switch weapons there is a small window of opportunity to escape or take out the gunman. Banning guns isn't the answer. However getting rid of things like 100 round and 30 round clips seems reasonable.

Columbine or Aurora?

I thought in the Aurora he had several handguns. I could be wrong.

[skippabcool]

Full Wetsuit for 70 degree water. I would be wearing one all the time.

[skippabcool]

If they outlaw hi capacity clips I could see them either making them or smuggling them from somewhere. No different that people that scour the internet to figure out all sorts of things.

I don't have any hi cap clips.

[skippabcool]

I use to be able to go get biodine or iodine but then one day I went in and I had to give a ton of information to get it almost couldn't. Plus the cost went up. I was getting it to treat my horses. i.e. navals of foals, cuts, hoofs, etc..

I had no idea that it was being used to make meth. I suffered because of it.

[skippabcool]

To Phils point it is like saying any vehicle that can go faster than 55 be banned.

[skippabcool]

I see the gun debate similar to a political debate