Taps 3 set up and speed set help

[Shamus 2]

I have 12 hours on my 2016 Z1 and I love the boat. I am having some weird things happen though, not sure if it is just set up/learning curve issues or what. To save me some time I figured I would through this out to the group to see if anyone had been through this or if its me...lol. Surf/Wake XL ballast full, drain/fill a bit depending on crew.

Speed set, say 3 out of 10 times on surf left the boat will not "get up on step"...or thats how it feels. If the speed set is on 11.2 it will only get up to 10.6 maybe 10.8. You can tell its struggling, it sounds a bit different too when its doing this. I did figure out that if I switch it back to surf right then back to left it takes off and sounds/acts normally. Actuator issue? I noticed my surflink button was sticking a bit, that could perhaps be the problem if it was stuck down. Next time I take it out I will leave the surf link in the truck and see if that's it. Thoughts?

Taps 3 set up, surf right - no problem. Beauty goofy wave, taps 2 at 3, taps 3 at 6. Absolutely awesome wave. Surf left, cant get dialed in, well sometimes I can. Taps 2 at 2-4, Taps 3 at 1 - 3. Sometimes its nice and clean and big, sometimes same setup is washy and mushy. Same lake, same depth, same crew...same everything...night and day wave difference. As mentioned, 5 people in the boat, ballasts full just drain a bit to clean up. Its the damdest thing.

When I demoed the boat last fall we had only 2 of us in the boat, surf right no issue, surf left we had set taps 2 at 4 to 6 and taps 3 at 6. It was good. Now if I use those settings the wave is terrible, I have to take the taps 3 right up to 1 to 3.

Now I dont know if these 2 items may be connected (actuator perhaps?), I thought I would ask and see if anyone had experienced this.

The dealer has been great with help, problem is I am 4 hours away and dont want to be running back there for every little thing.

Any help would be appreciated.

[rensink]

Shamus, I would say you are having a problem with your actuators and they are not working correctly - there is a way to test them with the boat on the trailer or out of the water if its possible.

[Shamus 2]

Thats what it seems like hey, problem is it only does it sometimes...I will test them on the trailer though.

Those problems would be related if it was an actuator thing hey?

[Germaine Marine]

Do your self a favor and read all of the taps 3 threads.... their are pages and pages buddy.

As for your specific issue.......

A couple things are important to check.... first is your boat stock ballast wise, and if so have you fixed the passive draining issue? Every boat has the problem and im sure that unless you have fixed it it is some of what you are experiencing.

Your taps settings seem off to me, but you can read through the threads to get that info.

Call your dealer ask him to walk you through how to put it in dealer mode. Check Taps3.

Make sure you are throttling your boat enough to get the beep and engage of the cruise function.

[Shamus 2]

Hey elevated. I have read every thread and piece of info I can get my hands on. That's what I am saying, I can make a nice wave but that's can't keep it consistent with the same parameters. I have had boats for 15 years and this is my 4th v drive. I have some experience. It's got to be mechanical, it was the difference with the same setup was the point I was trying to make was all. It is stock ballast, surf wake xl. I haven't fixed the passive drain yet, I had to cross vent my last tige. Didn't think I would have to with taps 3 but seems like that's not the case. I am getting some drain but nothing too bad yet. I guess I will have to cross vent this one too. Good point on the dealer mode thing. I will try that. I am definentrly throttling up for the speed set to catch. It will kick in but won't get up to speed. But only somtimes and if I switch from left to right and back it clears up. That's what made me think actuators. We far as the taps settings, I am at what ragboy suggests so not sure about that. Guys seem to be all over with that one. Thanks for the input. I'm all ears.

[dakota4ce]

Everything here is moot until you check the actuators.

Use the scientific method young Jedi.


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[Shamus 2]

So it would seem obi 1. Lolol.

[Germaine Marine]

Rag doesent suggest taps 3 at 6 to my knowledge.... I have extensive time in taps 3 boats across the line. If weighted correctly taps 3 should never see above 4, usually full deployment like you are doing on the one side is best.

You wont cross vent.... it does nothing with evenly weighted boats. You would need to run one of the duckbill check valves CHP recommends or plug the holes and or run enough hose to go up towards the bow, loop and come back. You may not think the bags are losing water but I can assure you that within 15 min 25 percent of the bag is empty.....

This is from Rag directly if you are looking for his stamp on setup......

"I haven't been on the Z1, but just spent some good time with the Z3. I will be posting setup and pictures and video soon.

I think you get the most push the more level you are, but on some boats its hard to get a clean wake level. The Z3 we were on made a beautiful clean wake level. Our setup was:

Fill EVERYTHING 100% until the bags leak to make sure they are all full.

Set taps 3 to 1 (all the way down) and for the most part just leave it there.

Set taps 2 to 3 and adjust to taste for steep/shallow.

Set speed to 11.4.

Move people and/or gear so that at REST you show about 2 degrees of list to the side you are going to surf, that is all you need and GO."

[Germaine Marine]

Sometimes if adjusting up and down countless times while in motion the plates just cant get to the correct movement. I rarely adjust on the fly especially with big weight. Have you got under the boat and flexed the plates and or noticed that aside from the Rzx series the actuators are mounted to the swim step? Couple all those things and the fact that those lencos regardless of system tend to get hung on movement from time to time and you have all the makings of inconsistency.

Set the boat at rest and test. That my motto. Once correct, go to the other side and repeat. Once those are good transferring is good to go.

Like I mentioned the actuators sometimes get hung, especially underway. Stop the boat and relaunch and you are good. This isnt just a taps 3 thing... Thegerman and I experience the same things at times and he has GSA... its just the actuators.

As far as settings... I differ then ragboy so take it for what its worth.

I tune off the inclinometer, 8-9 degrees of bow rise and roughly 5-6 degrees of roll from side to side.

Rears full and plugged or correctly plumbed. Front 60-80% depending on whos in the boat. Again tune to inclinometer.

Taps 3 at 1 on goofy and 4 on regular.

Taps 2 at 3-5 weight depending. Stock weight means more taps plate.

[Germaine Marine]

Speed at 11.0 to start and unless running additional weight, no higher then 11.4.

[Germaine Marine]

Intermittent actuator problems are usually just from countless adjustments under way, they have a hard time with that at times... not always... just sometimes.

Actual lenco failures are like what SKI is experiencing in another thread.... actuators not moving really at all while at rest, most of the time its due to water getting in them.

If you ring me, I can get you into the test mode.... 714-306-3999

[Shamus 2]

That's all good info elevated. Thank you, come think about it I was adjusting on the fly quite a bit...playing with things you know. I'll try the actuators on the trailer and see what goes on from there. I'll give you a to rest if the dealer can't help me. I appreciate the help. That's actually what I meant when I said that's how ragboy set up was surf left, ballast full and taps 3 at 1. Lol. That's the exact quote I was referring too. The goofy wave on my boat is good no matter where i put it seems. I can't believe how good it is.

[Shamus 2]

I will plug the vents to try to stop some of the drain. I can actually see some water coming out of the vent line while I'm riding. Do you plug the front too? I tried plugging my last boat and it still drained like crazy, the cross vent fixed that. The plugs didn't work...never could figure out where the water was going. I get what your saying about evenly weighted, not near as much list. Hopefully that works.

[Germaine Marine]

Yeah water comes out the drain and vent... which would be the 2 most forward ports on both side of the boat.

No, because the bow is high you wont see any drain from the bow sacs.

If you get the correctly sized marine expansion plugs they were excellent. Chpthrll also has some valves they he says works great, I havent used them.

[Germaine Marine]

That's all good info elevated. Thank you, come think about it I was adjusting on the fly quite a bit...playing with things you know. I'll try the actuators on the trailer and see what goes on from there. I'll give you a to rest if the dealer can't help me. I appreciate the help. That's actually what I meant when I said that's how ragboy set up was surf left, ballast full and taps 3 at 1. Lol. That's the exact quote I was referring too. The goofy wave on my boat is good no matter where i put it seems. I can't believe how good it is.

No thanks needed. Just trying to help you get it all sorted out......... If your actuator problem is intermittent I can all but guarantee they are fine. They just dont like to be moved while under way over and over and over, and again the more weight the worse it gets.