ragboy custom ballast

[ragboy]

After all of my expirementing. I have decided I want to use little to NO lead or pop bags, and I want all water. I also want it all in corner. I also want to go from side to side, depending on whether I have goofy or reg rider.

SPBFan is helping me with the parts and stuff, and I am ordering custom sacs. The issue is, a normal custom enzo sac won't work, and I don't know how you guys are doing it with the normal enzo sac, due to the way the 24Ve is, and I assume the RZ2 is similar. The normal enzo sac is made up of 2 rectangular objects. But in my 24Ve, if I have 25 inches wide the entire length, its going to be stuffed about halfway, because it gets only 12 inches wide. After careful measuring, I have come up 3 rectangles for the best bag, maximizing the best I can, and eliminating stuffing a 25" wide bag in a 11-12" wide space.

Here are 2 views of starboard (driver's) side.





And the Port side:





I don't even know yet if I can have these made, but we will see. Dimensions on images above are tough to see, but images are to scale.

[chpthril]

Good looking illustrations You're right, the dimensions are hard to see. What kinda weight are those estimated to hold? Its actually a good problem to have when the sac is larger then the storage area, it means you will get as much water weight as possible in there instead of a bulging sac and unused storage area.

It's that you are getting only 12" under the seats, when we did the dimensions for the 22Ve/RZ2 sac, we all came up with a width of between 20"-22"

[formandfunction]

Ragboy,make sure you inspect every inch of your locker for sharp objects like screws and fiberglass shavings before you install.

[ragboy]

Good looking illustrations You're right, the dimensions are hard to see. What kinda weight are those estimated to hold? Its actually a good problem to have when the sac is larger then the storage area, it means you will get as much water weight as possible in there instead of a bulging sac and unused storage area.

It's that you are getting only 12" under the seats, when we did the dimensions for the 22Ve/RZ2 sac, we all came up with a width of between 20"-22"

Behind the driver's seat, back, it is only about 12" wide, then opens to 22".

[Timmy!]

The RZ2 isn't like that behind the drivers seat, it's the same width all the way to the built in cooler and it's definitely wider than 12" wide because that's the side that I put the yellow loogey in and the nose goes right to the cooler.

[ragboy]

Good looking illustrations You're right, the dimensions are hard to see. What kinda weight are those estimated to hold? Its actually a good problem to have when the sac is larger then the storage area, it means you will get as much water weight as possible in there instead of a bulging sac and unused storage area.

It's that you are getting only 12" under the seats, when we did the dimensions for the 22Ve/RZ2 sac, we all came up with a width of between 20"-22"

It would seem to me, with the way that THICK material is on the sac, bunching up would not allow it to fill the entire space, as well as custom sac designed to fit. My sac is designed take up space, not float within it, just shouldn't bunch up. It is the side seat, in front of the rear seat, where the space gets narrow. It doesn't maintain the 22" all the way up, not even close. Do you get 22" all the way up on the RZ2?

Also, this excercise of making the dimensions correctly for the space, gives me the volume of the space. I am estimating 895 lbs for the driver sac, a far cry from 1450 from the enzo sac. But If I stuffed the enzo in there, I would NO WAY be getting 1450 anyway.

[Timmy!]

Yep. As far as I remember it is the same width all the way on both sides. The seats are different in the RZ2 though, they are square in the corners where the Ve are rounded if I remember correctly.

[Timmy!]

I believe this is accurate - someone who may have measured more recently could validate.

[ragboy]

The small space, is actually shaped like this, its tapered. I am stuffing a 12"w x 10"h rect in it.

[Timmy!]

Is there a board or something there to separate the speakers from the storage area or something? Just seems weird that the Ve wouldn't have the same width.

[ragboy]

y, but it is not blocking 10". I will see if I can complete dimensions.

[da.bell]

The RZ2 will have more height than 12 inches hights whereas the 24Ve's have a 10 inche height. The width of the lockers are vary similar but when heading towards up the ski lockers, there is definitely more room on the RZ's than the 24's have.

Edit: I will also go on a limb and say the RZ2 has more available storage space than the 24Ve. If the 24Ve's built in ice chest was in a different place, then the 24Ve would win this battle but the placement of the ice chest in the 24Ve is what allows the RZ2 to have more room.

[chpthril]

It would seem to me, with the way that THICK material is on the sac, bunching up would not allow it to fill the entire space, as well as custom sac designed to fit. My sac is designed take up space, not float within it, just shouldn't bunch up. It is the side seat, in front of the rear seat, where the space gets narrow. It doesn't maintain the 22" all the way up, not even close. Do you get 22" all the way up on the RZ2?

Also, this exercise of making the dimensions correctly for the space, gives me the volume of the space. I am estimating 895 lbs for the driver sac, a far cry from 1450 from the enzo sac. But If I stuffed the enzo in there, I would NO WAY be getting 1450 anyway.

By our geustamate, the 22Ve/RZ2 sac will hold that in that starboard side, and the 24V is a two ft longer boat and has a longer under-seat storage area. With the added length of the 24Ve, you should get about 1200-1300 lb.s of ballast back there, regardless of weather you use the enzo or an exact-fit custom. Either way, i'd rather have a sac that is larger then the space I need to fill, that way the weight of the water is held by the boat and not the seams of the sac. A lot of great thought, input, and ideas here. I dont think there's and exact correct answer though.

Where is Xp, he did a custom on one side, then went with an Enzo for the other side I believe. There is a little difference between the 24V and Ve, but mainly in the size of the rear locker opening.

[ragboy]

Well, my sac is designed to take up all that space. And even if you calculate volume and weight of water, you get 895 lbs. And I know I won't get 100%, maybe 90-95%.

[da.bell]

Rag, I see what you mean but for the price of purchasing two enzo sac's, you would only get a half or one custom sac.. From my understanding, going the custom route is expensive with FatSac's.