Dialing it In

[ragboy]

That's pretty funny.

[bentone]

[QUOTE=ragboy;231880]Its possible, but I am going for a completely automated system, and a fully functional swim deck. Also, the other side effect of the bigger wave is when you cut the throttle, you get this monster roll up on you.

Here it is after throttle down on its way.



And here it is coming in the boat, and it comes all the way in unless you slow down slowly.





That is avoidable, its all in how you turn around and Im going to have to disagree on the no bow weight thing. Bow weight is very critical in creating the perfect wave on the 24VE. That is why the secondary lip is in your wave. Too much weight in the back and the boat cant plain out. This also creates cavitation in rougher water, yes I have the surf prop and over 300 hrs on my girl since last May. ALL SURFING. What the 24VE really likes is weight and alot of it. I also have a teak deck and dont have the problems I read about.

[ragboy]

Yes, it is very avoidable but I am so used to hearing DOWN and then pulling up on the throttle. I am like a conditioned dog or something. I have to retrain myself.

On the weight in front, I have the integrated bow sac, and we have experimented much. The issue is the level RJ has been moving too. The wake with weight in front is very long, and well shaped, but it is smaller, basically the size of the secondary lip. You could then add a ton more weight, I am sure. My extra tweaking and experimentation and investment has been with the goal of giving RJ the best chance I can get to compete and do well. Being goofy footed, he usually doesn't get as good of a wake as the regular guys. I have also been to every surf competition I can get to and have had the chance to see the best wakesurfers out there, and the wakes they ride, and what they like about them. In addition, spending time with Dennis Horton, who does a lot of the weighting for these contests has been a big learning experience. So all that to say, I am not out to make the PERFECT wake, which is a very subjective thing. And different styles like skim or surf, like a different style. I am attempting to make the best wake for the type of riding RJ is doing which is surf style. My kids have all looked up to the surf style guys like James Walker, Chase Hazen and Johnny Stieg. They just aren't as interested in the more skim style or hybrid style of wakesurfing, which I am sure has something to do with my influence, being an ocean surfer in high school and college.

So I hope that clarifies that I am not trying to show I can make a better wake than everybody else, I just really enjoy the tweaking and experimentation and trying to give RJ the best chance I can. I will admit to enjoying showing the rest of the world that the Tige can make a great wake on both sides with a little work, where many boats can't. Which is one reason I like posting on WW.

Anyway, please post some pictures, I always love seeing more surfwake pictures. I guess the teak platform would have been better for surfing, but I didn't know that when I got the boat. I also grew up always having to oil the deck on our old boat growing up, it was one of my chores. I hated it, and so I didn't want teak. Kinda funny. It may seem like a pain in the butt to build a special surf deck out of aluminum, but I am enjoying this. Its like hanging dingle balls from the chevy.

[dingleberry]

... Its like hanging dingle balls from the chevy.

Excuse me?

[ragboy]

Did you ever see undercover brother? with his big black fuzzy balls?

[dingleberry]

Too many smart-aleck replies possible....must control myself...

Ragboy - I love this thread and following your thinking and experimenting. It really is fascinating.

[bentone]

Yes, it is very avoidable but I am so used to hearing DOWN and then pulling up on the throttle. I am like a conditioned dog or something. I have to retrain myself.

On the weight in front, I have the integrated bow sac, and we have experimented much. The issue is the level RJ has been moving too. The wake with weight in front is very long, and well shaped, but it is smaller, basically the size of the secondary lip. You could then add a ton more weight, I am sure. My extra tweaking and experimentation and investment has been with the goal of giving RJ the best chance I can get to compete and do well. Being goofy footed, he usually doesn't get as good of a wake as the regular guys. I have also been to every surf competition I can get to and have had the chance to see the best wakesurfers out there, and the wakes they ride, and what they like about them. In addition, spending time with Dennis Horton, who does a lot of the weighting for these contests has been a big learning experience. So all that to say, I am not out to make the PERFECT wake, which is a very subjective thing. And different styles like skim or surf, like a different style. I am attempting to make the best wake for the type of riding RJ is doing which is surf style. My kids have all looked up to the surf style guys like James Walker, Chase Hazen and Johnny Stieg. They just aren't as interested in the more skim style or hybrid style of wakesurfing, which I am sure has something to do with my influence, being an ocean surfer in high school and college.

So I hope that clarifies that I am not trying to show I can make a better wake than everybody else, I just really enjoy the tweaking and experimentation and trying to give RJ the best chance I can. I will admit to enjoying showing the rest of the world that the Tige can make a great wake on both sides with a little work, where many boats can't. Which is one reason I like posting on WW.

Anyway, please post some pictures, I always love seeing more surfwake pictures. I guess the teak platform would have been better for surfing, but I didn't know that when I got the boat. I also grew up always having to oil the deck on our old boat growing up, it was one of my chores. I hated it, and so I didn't want teak. Kinda funny. It may seem like a pain in the butt to build a special surf deck out of aluminum, but I am enjoying this. Its like hanging dingle balls from the chevy.

Next time you throttle down, crank the wheel opposite of the wave for 3-4 seconds. The wave will hit the corner of the boat and spin it to 45 degrees. Throttle up and crank the wheel the opposite direction. This will put you heading back in the same path you came in and you will never have to worry about dipping the bow again from your wave. I always turn around into the weighted side too.

You are right about the bow weight knocking down the height but will give you a longer pocket. You def have to the back weighted down for the bow weight to be benificial. I run more weight than most people on this forum and maybe thats the difference. I will run about 2500 to 3000 lbs. depending on how many peeps are in the boat. It just seems to me that the more weight that is in the boat, the longer the pocket, the taller the wave and with more punch. Most people never talk about the hardness of the wave which is just as important as the height that everybody seems to be so hung up on. I get this by more weight which equals faster speeds which gives a harder wave. I'm glad to see more people experimenting with the wave. Its funny reading over on ww how no one can seem to get a decent wave on both sides of their 80-100 k boats. Its effortless with the tige, well almost anyway. I think you might have something with the aluminum platform, it would tie in nicely with the tower. Hold on, are you sure you didnt copy that idea from one of the big three boat makers. Seeing how the ww rich daddy's kids seem to think so anyways. Keep it up Rag.

[dogbert]

Next time you throttle down, crank the wheel opposite of the wave for 3-4 seconds. The wave will hit the corner of the boat and spin it to 45 degrees. Throttle up and crank the wheel the opposite direction. This will put you heading back in the same path you came in and you will never have to worry about dipping the bow again from your wave. I always turn around into the weighted side too.

x2. If you do it right, you can actually spin your self almost 180 degrees just from the inertia of your wake. What's cool about it is that as you cross your own wake, your boat is parallel with the wake, so you just rock over it. Never a chance to dip your bow. I've got it down now where as I'm throttling down, I'm already initiating the turn. This gives me enough inertia to complete my spin and I'm almost 180 turned around before I'm having to apply power to get steerage. The trick is to give it a little surge in power just as the boat is dropping into the water from plane.

Play with it, you'll figure it out. Once you do, you'll be amazed how quickly you can pick up your rider. Otherwise, you're gonna be doing that wide friggin' turn

[ragboy]

Next time you throttle down, crank the wheel opposite of the wave for 3-4 seconds. The wave will hit the corner of the boat and spin it to 45 degrees. Throttle up and crank the wheel the opposite direction. This will put you heading back in the same path you came in and you will never have to worry about dipping the bow again from your wave. I always turn around into the weighted side too.

You are right about the bow weight knocking down the height but will give you a longer pocket. You def have to the back weighted down for the bow weight to be benificial. I run more weight than most people on this forum and maybe thats the difference. I will run about 2500 to 3000 lbs. depending on how many peeps are in the boat. It just seems to me that the more weight that is in the boat, the longer the pocket, the taller the wave and with more punch. Most people never talk about the hardness of the wave which is just as important as the height that everybody seems to be so hung up on. I get this by more weight which equals faster speeds which gives a harder wave. I'm glad to see more people experimenting with the wave. Its funny reading over on ww how no one can seem to get a decent wave on both sides of their 80-100 k boats. Its effortless with the tige, well almost anyway. I think you might have something with the aluminum platform, it would tie in nicely with the tower. Hold on, are you sure you didnt copy that idea from one of the big three boat makers. Seeing how the ww rich daddy's kids seem to think so anyways. Keep it up Rag.

You mention you have the SURF prop. Which is that, and how did it effect your ride/surfing?

I received this from ACME when asking about a 3-blade prop.

Good morning Robert,
I am quite sure you boat came with the Acme 537-13.50X16.00VL4B 1.125 .105 Cup propeller. I am suggesting the Acme 1273-14.50X14.25VL4B 1.125 .150 cup propeller. This propeller sells for $619.00.

"We are big into wakesurfing and have been told that a 3 blade prop will make a cleaner wake."

What you have heard about the three blade is talking about if you boat has a 1-1 gear ratio, your boat has a 1.5-1 gear ratio. We have a 30 day money back guarantee on all the ski & wake board propellers that we sell direct.

[da.bell]

Ragboy, if you are wanting to get that new prop, talk with Pat at CWS. I am sure he can get it for you cheaper or contact SPBFan.

[ragboy]

Ragboy, if you are wanting to get that new prop, talk with Pat at CWS. I am sure he can get it for you cheaper or contact SPBFan.

Yes, I figured I could get it cheaper, but was trying to verify what he was saying. Don't want to spend the money for nothing. But it would be great if it made the boat a better surf platform.

[da.bell]

I totally agree.. The 1235 is a 4-blade and does great with hull shots with a lot of ballast also. Interesting that they suggested that prop... hum.....

[bentone]

You mention you have the SURF prop. Which is that, and how did it effect your ride/surfing?

I received this from ACME when asking about a 3-blade prop.

Rag, I bought mine through wakeside.com, $425.00 I believe. Just gives you more hole shot and less cavitation when really weighted down. It helps get the boat to plane out faster when wakeboarding or surfing with alot of ballast. One drawback is more fuel consumption and you do lose a few miles off your top end( who rides around full throttle anyways). I'll have to get back on the exact prop size.

[bentone]

here you go rag, from wakeside.com


invoic Name Quantity Price/Ea. Total
857 - Acme 4 Blade Propeller 1 $412.00 $412.00
Fly High Pro X Bag Twist Connect Fitting 6 $12.99 $77.94
Subtotal: 7 $489.94
Shipping: 2nd Day Air: $20.00
Sales Tax: $0.00
TOTAL: $509.94

[ragboy]

That is a 13.25 diameter prop, I have a 13.5 and the prop they are recommending is a 14.5 diameter prop. Here is another comment acme made:

Robert,
With the new propeller you will have a quicker time to your wakeboard speed + better holding power & burn less fuel doing so. We were testing our Correct Craft V drive a couple of weeks ago I could not belive how much easier it was to maintain 23 mph with the Larger diameter propeller. The difference between the 13.5 Diameter propeller & the 14.5 was hard to belive. The boat just feels so much better with the larger propeller.

I have noticed a bit of cavitation, rarely, when weighted this way, I wonder if the bigger prop, with more bite would also help that.