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    Bad Transmission, Bad Motor...What's next?!

    I'll try to start this thread as succint as possible. I am very interested in knowing how many Tige owners out there have experienced transmission or engine failure...especially with low hours on the later-model boats. I have loved every aspect of our boat the few times I have taken it out but am becoming increasingly concerned about the integrity of the drive-train.

    The background:
    Purchased my 06 24ve from my brother with ~25 hours. He was the original owner - ordered it from the factory. Shortly after purchasing the boat with <10 hours he noticed the forward drive would engage a little harshly. He brought it to the attention of the Tige dealer in Mesa when he took it in for his first service and was told "the linkage just needed adjustment" but they could not take care of it at the time because they weren't able to "simulate the lake in their shop". ?????????

    I bought the boat from my brother last fall and was told the "linkage still needed adjustment" so with our first service at the Las Vegas dealer I asked they take care of it. There was still a noticeable issue and after several attempts to fine-tune the adjustment we came to the conclusion it was an internal problem. By now we had about 70 hours. The Vegas dealer explained there was no warranty at this point and that Marine Power would do nothing despite the fact that the issue was there from the beginning. We tried to get the Mesa dealer to own up to the mistake but to no avail. We got a quote for rebuild and after 4 weeks in the shop and two consecutive attempts to repair the damaged transmission the dealer finally gave up and ordered a new transmission. To his credit he placed a temporary "used" transmission so we could take the boat to Powell last week for our yearly family reunion. The plan was to replace it with the new transmission when we got back this week.

    It gets better:
    We arrived at Lake Powell last Tuesday and launched the boat at Antelope. We were half way to Warm Creek cruising at an easy 40 mph feeling euphoric at the speed and beauty of our vessel... relieved that the transmission issue was nearly behind us when I started to lose power. After a few seconds I pulled back on the throttle and looked over my shoulder to see a billow of blue smoke coming out of the back of the boat. I shut her down and emptied the back lockers to pull all the plugs. To my utter dismay and astonishment the #4 cylinder was dead!! I stood there bobbing in the waves in complete awe! The temp gauge had been at 175, the oil gauge normal, oil level normal with no water contamination. We spent the rest of the week at Powell sharing my brother's 2000 vintage Mastercraft with over 700 hours. It ran like a dream and the motor has never given him a lick of trouble. I was also informed by the dealer that since I was not the original owner there would be no warranty for the motor either.

    I don't believe in "bad luck", "bad Karma" or that a boat could be jinxed but how in the heck do I end up with a bad transmission from the factory followed by a bad motor at 75 hrs? I figured it would be 5-10 years before I would be sinking this kind of money into my boat. I expected $500 here or $1000 there but between the transmission and engine the dealer is quoting me between $8000-$9000!!!

    I am working every possible angle at this point as far as my options are concerned but need to take a closer look at the reason for the dead cylinder. The biggest bummer is that we are now going on 5 weeks (some of the best of the summer) with the boat out of commission. Several members on this site are helping advise me right now which I appreciate.

    Bottom line:
    Am I experiencing an isolated anomaly or is there some greater issue with the Marine Power drive-train Tige has been using until the 2009 year? I would appreciate your feed-back. Thanks
    We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then is not an act, but a habit. Aristotle

    #2
    Marine Power, if anything has a good rep with it's customers.
    I'd contact them to see if they'd help you out in some way.

    I'd also contact Tige' and not just take the dealers word for it about the warranty.

    A questionair we recieved from Tige' had us wondering if they are considering going back to Mercury and Velvet drive.
    Mercury had all but abandon the small block OEM market for big block race motors,, and that market has evaporated.

    Our ZF transmission sounds fine some days,, and others like a garbage disposal grinding chicken bones.
    The Merc/Velvet Drive in our last Tige was far smoother operation.

    Did your brother have the boat serviced as recomended?
    Do you have a paper trail of recipts?
    Last edited by Wake Bandits; 08-05-2008, 07:37 AM.

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      #3
      Tige has one of the worst warranties in the industry despite selling the "toughest boat." I am not saying the Tige is a bad boat or that it is built poorly but they will experience a normal range of problems. Unfortunately, the Tige warranty does not transfer. The MP warranty does transfer if you pay the fee. Tige's crappy warranty is the one thing that would keep me buying a new Tige in the future. Good luck. PM me I have a couple of thoughts.
      "Injuries heal, but puss you take to the grave."

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        #4
        Sorry to hear about your boat.

        My 2006 24Ve does not have any problems that you have stated. I am glad but again, nervous since I am trying to sell it to someone.

        Good luck with the repairs and I agree with Wake Bandit, call MP or Tige and find out a little more information.

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          #5
          Look at it this way. You have an engine that has about 1 months worth of time if driving in a car. Hope both MP and TIGE step up to the plate for you.
          Please keep us all informed as to how your issues will be handled.

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            #6
            Just another thing... crusing at 40 for an extended period is tough on the engine given the high RPM's When it all gets resolved, you might consider shaving off a few MPH.

            I hope that you get some assistance - can imagine how frustrating it must be.

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              #7
              I hear that kidneys are bringing a mint right now, always an option, sorry for the news, it sucks

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                #8
                Originally posted by Wake Bandits View Post
                Marine Power, if anything has a good rep with it's customers.
                I'd contact them to see if they'd help you out in some way.

                I'd also contact Tige' and not just take the dealers word for it about the warranty.

                A questionair we recieved from Tige' had us wondering if they are considering going back to Mercury and Velvet drive.
                Mercury had all but abandon the small block OEM market for big block race motors,, and that market has evaporated.

                Our ZF transmission sounds fine some days,, and others like a garbage disposal grinding chicken bones.
                The Merc/Velvet Drive in our last Tige was far smoother operation.

                Did your brother have the boat serviced as recomended?
                Do you have a paper trail of recipts?
                Good advice - I planned on calling Marine Power when I had a few minutes this week.
                We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then is not an act, but a habit. Aristotle

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bandsecurity View Post
                  Tige has one of the worst warranties in the industry despite selling the "toughest boat." I am not saying the Tige is a bad boat or that it is built poorly but they will experience a normal range of problems. Unfortunately, the Tige warranty does not transfer. The MP warranty does transfer if you pay the fee. Tige's crappy warranty is the one thing that would keep me buying a new Tige in the future. Good luck. PM me I have a couple of thoughts.
                  Unfortunately I found out about the MP transfer fee after the 15 day grace period. It is $300 to transfer and at this point would cover internal lubricated parts but not labor...still would have been worth it though.
                  We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then is not an act, but a habit. Aristotle

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by jwanck11 View Post
                    Just another thing... crusing at 40 for an extended period is tough on the engine given the high RPM's When it all gets resolved, you might consider shaving off a few MPH.

                    I hope that you get some assistance - can imagine how frustrating it must be.
                    Agree on the speed for prolonged periods, though "half-way to warm creek" constitutes all of 5-10 minutes and with the smooth water and the TAPS trimmed out we were at about 4100 rpm's.

                    Believe me, I asked myself the question if I had just been going slower if I could have avoided this but in the end decided it would likely have happened anyway...only farther away from the ramp for a tow.
                    We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then is not an act, but a habit. Aristotle

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                      #11
                      I just got the engine replaced in my boat, it is a 07 24ve, two of the cylinders were running at 20%. And I still am having computer problems with the boat. I feel your pain about being in the peek of the season and not having your boat. My boat has been in the shop for almost two months of the summer so far. I have been patient with the tige and the dealer for a year and I am still having problems wtih my boat, but my patients has run out! Good luck I hope everything works out for you!

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                        #12
                        That stinks. Sorry for the bad luck!
                        Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

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                          #13
                          You may be able to get your engine going again at a relatively modest cost. With just one dead hole and no undue internal noise you probably don't need the engine rebuilt or perhaps even removed from the boat. Maybe a bad or plugged fuel injector leaned out the cylinder and burnt a valve? Low hours engines aren't always the best. Fuel gets gummy, etc.

                          Consider hauling the boat over to a reputable engine builder for a second opinion.

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                            #14
                            The dealer is not always the best place to go after warranty runs out, i would always see if there is anything they can do but you can usually get a better deal and same craftmenship from an independant boat repair facility. Also mercruiser call me one day and asked me how i like my engine and if i had any questions, i asked her about the one year warranty and she said thats all tige offers but if something happens maercruiser usually covers the engine for two years so i would call the manufactorer up before you do anything

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by noworries View Post
                              You may be able to get your engine going again at a relatively modest cost. With just one dead hole and no undue internal noise you probably don't need the engine rebuilt or perhaps even removed from the boat. Maybe a bad or plugged fuel injector leaned out the cylinder and burnt a valve? Low hours engines aren't always the best. Fuel gets gummy, etc.

                              Consider hauling the boat over to a reputable engine builder for a second opinion.
                              I'm hoping for a valve failure or hole in the piston because the expense would me far less...though it makes me a little nervous that it could happen again due to unknown factors with the injectors or water circulation etc.
                              We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then is not an act, but a habit. Aristotle

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