HHO generator on boats, possible?

[dinfusino]

What is "the banner"?

[da.bell]

What is "the banner"?

This one.

[philwsailz]

I have a question. From the front side, I want to state this is a non-biased question... It is easy for it to sound negative; I seriously just want to understand...

What is the energy source for the generator, and how much power is required? I know it is electrical, right? If so, you are running off of the alternator, and therefore burning fuel to create fuel????

[dinfusino]

This one.

Sorry for the noob question, but still confused (more than normal).

[da.bell]

Sorry for the noob question, but still confused (more than normal).

We like pictures and they can explain a lot when someone is explaining something. Jason B. just wants a few pictures to see what the OP is stating. Not a NOOB question at all. It's all good.

[dinfusino]

Just a logic check on these types of systems and the claims on them - but with the auto industry spending billions a year on R&D (domestically and internationally) for hybrids to improve fuel consumption, I would think they would have introduced a system that would improve gas mileage by +67% just by using a mason jar full of water and an electrial current from the battery. The arguement of oil companies holding back these technologies cannot be made with Toyota and other auto campanies lauching battery cell cars to supplement traditional combustion.

Once again, love to be proven wrong, but it is completely unbelievable in my mind. I'll be done "bashing" this potential technology now.

[dinfusino]

We like pictures and they can explain a lot when someone is explaining something. Jason B. just wants a few pictures to see what the OP is stating. Not a NOOB question at all. It's all good.

Thanks da.bell for the clarification.

[Lucky 275]

RDK,

Sorry, man I thought from the poll questions you were looking for a response and opinion.

www.tnhybrids.com did the install. I can only assume that this guy knows what he's doing, as I certainly don't. Phil has agreed to be the guinea pig, and says he will only post the actual results. I'm not saying you can't produce HHO, but the initial findings look like it's not getting better mileage.

I would love it if it works, more $$ for me to spend on boat gas instead of car gas.

[noworries]

Please post the power and enthalpy calculations demonstrating why this doesn't violate thermodynamic laws. For example, since there are 3413 BTU/kWh, how many BTUs of H2 will you get per hour from your H2 generator at your rated amperage? Unless that number of BTUs of H2 will more than power the alternator to in turn generate that number of BTUs, you'll see NO "mileage" improvement. Again, thermodynamic laws come into play here.

[TJRiver]

Oh they work. It is just a unstable system if you do not know what is going on. RDK what system did you buy and put on your car or did you build your own? They have to work with both Gas and HHO. The car will not run on HHO alone. The other thing you will notice is a decrease in engine operating temperature. The HHO has a much more consistent flame front and it is a cooler flam resulting in better burn rates of fuel and I can go on. I am currently designing a system. The nice thing is they are very easy to install and take off. You can not go through a smog test with them on your car or you will fail because the emissions will read so low the state computer system will think the smog tech is trying to cheat the system.

Why would a car not run on Hydrogen alone? Hydrogen is perfectly valid fuel for an internal combustion engine. I put one of these systems on my dad's 454 Suburban in the 70s during the last fuel crisis. Didn't work then (it was probably too primitive no doubt, there's always an excuse why the proponent's system is the only one that works. Everyone else "doesn't know what they are doing....."). I see no need to repeal the laws of thermodynamics at this point.

Provide double blind tested and verifiable proof that this device generates more power that it takes to break down the hydrogen and oxygen molecule bonds to essentially create perpetual motion and we can talk.

To date, what I see is a bunch of internet conspiracy hooey and "secret" designs by folks that are gonna make a killing (at some ill-defined point in the future.) You get it to work, I'll buy you a case of beer. Until then, this item gets filed with the Area 51 stuff.

[da.bell]

I will be the tester if someone wants to install one on my vehicle.

[dinfusino]

Sorry for the noob question, but still confused (more than normal).

Just so I don't look like an idiot with my previous reply here, but I posted this from my BlackBerry where I could not see the "This Thread Is Worthless Without Pics" image.

[da.bell]

Just so I don't look like an idiot with my previous reply here, but I posted this from my BlackBerry where I could not see the "This Thread Is Worthless Without Pics" image.

lol

Apparently the phone is not what it's "cracked" up to be. he he he

It's all good.

[RDKamikaze]

Wow, there have been a bit of posts while I wasn't looking!

Unfortunately, not being a major in thermodynamics, I could not explain exactly the stuff you are asking for. If you're really interested, please look it up on the internet or ask someone who you trust in that field who could provide adequate feedback.

So all the non-supportive people here are saying the reason why it doesn't work is because it doesn't make sense that using fuel to make fuel (or energy for energy, w/e)? That seems to be what I'm getting out of this. To answer this question, feel free to read this link about how much HHO could be used to yield positive results:
http://www.fuelsaver-mpg.com/doc/HowMuchHHO.html

Although it is true that it requires energy to make the HHO gas, as long as you're putting out a descent amount of the gas and tuning the car correctly, you will end up with a positive gain in milage.

So back to my original question that nobody's answered! :P Does anybody know if I can do any tuning to the engine or ECU or whatever to trick/tell the engine to use less gas? I tihnk that's my only obstacle right now in making a kit for the boat and testing it out.

[philwsailz]

So back to my original question that nobody's answered! :P Does anybody know if I can do any tuning to the engine or ECU or whatever to trick/tell the engine to use less gas? I think that's my only obstacle right now in making a kit for the boat and testing it out.

Ahem....

I think we just figured out how it is working for you......

You say that you are substituting a trick O2 sensor and re-mapping the ECU... No wonder you are using less fuel....




Sorry, but I have decided based on my research that this is like a popular weight loss pill. Place a placebo fish colagen protein pill in the mix, and then tell the person who bought the pill to drink lots of water, eat their last meal three hours before bedtime, and establish a healthy exercise regimen to maximize results... I could eat a teaspoon of Jello powder following these recommendations and lose weight.

In my opinion, the generator is not what gives you the gains. Your re-programming and fooling with sensors is where your gains are coming from. That and miserly driving. I can affect a 20% increase in fuel economy over my normal lead footed driving by just being conscious about pushing down on the gas pedal less...


To each his own, and if you figure this one out I applaud your efforts. But.... In my opinion you are seeing economies from other efforts and modifications, not the bubbling canister.