HHO generator on boats, possible?

[RDKamikaze]

Howdy everyone! I'm newer to the forums (2nd post!) and I just had an idea pop into my head. Could boats have a hydrogen generator installed in them to help save on gas consumption? I'm not sure if it's possible (I only know car engines, not boat ones), but I'm throwing the idea out there for all your gurus. Here's the basics of what you need for a HHO generator setup:

1. Generator itself (duh)
2. Hose to connect to (on cars, the PCV hose to intake manifold or intake itself)
3. Place to stick the generator (not hard in a boat AT ALL)
4. Way to run kit only when the engine is running (on cars, ignition fuse in fuse box or a switch on the dash)
5. Way to fool ECU in to injecting less gas (on cars, mechanical o2 sensor gapper/simulator)

Please let me know! I make these kits for my family and would like to (if possible at all) put one on the boat as well! I think that would be cool as well as increase the performance a little, while cleaning the engine out.

[dogbert]

What does it run on?

[dinfusino]

Does not work on cars, why would it work on a boat?

[Jason B]

Why not just try it on a boat if you're already making kits for your family?
Personally, I don't know anything about them so voting would be silly. You really could be onto something if it saves gas!? Try it--see what happens.

[RDKamikaze]

Does not work on cars, why would it work on a boat?

^^^

Why do you think they don't work? Of course they do! My car got about 30mpg in the city before, and now I'm getting over 50mpg in the city. So how does that NOT work? Please do some more research .

I'm thinking on giving it a shot, but I need to know if the boat has an o2 sensor. If not, does anybody know if I can tune the ECU to inject a little less gas or trick it somehow to inject less? On cars, you do that my using a few techniques. You can install a mechanical o2 simulator (or gapper) or use an adjustable MAP sensor made of simple electronic components. I think that's te only thing holding me back from continuing the project.

Also, does anybody know where the PCV valve on a 350 mag engine is? The boat's covered for a storm right now,so I can't go out and look until later.

[dinfusino]

I've done the research (plus have a strong science background) and the HHO systems violate laws of thermodynamics (also found to be fraudulant in an Ohio court in 1997).

Here is the wikipedia on the system:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell

Also, for the TV buffs, Mythbusters also tested the system and it was a myth.

EDIT: I believe this is the Mythbusters link of the episode: http://mythbusters-wiki.discovery.co...Energy+Devices

But if you get it to work, post your results, I'd love to be proven wrong and cut my fuel costs.

[RDKamikaze]

If you remember the Mythbusters episode, they tried to run the car ONLY on the yhdrogen gas being produced. So far, this is not possible. The only person to create such a device was good ol' Stanley Meyer. The kits I'm talking about are to HELP run the car on LESS fuel, not JUST HHO.

Besides, if it's working for me and a bunch of other people out there, how do you explain that to not work? You can even see the gas being produced! Many people use HHO generators for not only cars, but for a variety of other things, such as flame torches, for example. Please do not be so quick to judge.

[Lucky 275]

http://www.valentinebiofuels.com/HHO.html

This is why I don't believe it works. If it did, this guy would be shouting it from the rooftops, as he is dieing to give the Middle east, the Middle Finger.

[SPBFAN]

Oh they work. It is just a unstable system if you do not know what is going on. RDK what system did you buy and put on your car or did you build your own? They have to work with both Gas and HHO. The car will not run on HHO alone. The other thing you will notice is a decrease in engine operating temperature. The HHO has a much more consistent flame front and it is a cooler flam resulting in better burn rates of fuel and I can go on. I am currently designing a system. The nice thing is they are very easy to install and take off. You can not go through a smog test with them on your car or you will fail because the emissions will read so low the state computer system will think the smog tech is trying to cheat the system.

[SPBFAN]

http://www.valentinebiofuels.com/HHO.html

This is why I don't believe it works. If it did, this guy would be shouting it from the rooftops, as he is dieing to give the Middle east, the Middle Finger.

There was a guy that did that and he ended up dead. Bullet through the head in a store robbery. Just coincidence I don't think so. Now there is a guy doing it again and he is in talks with the government and Auto Manufactures. Here is the link. If it is a faulty system why did HONDA Motors release a hydrogen car in Los Angeles, Chicago, & New York for sale. Not to mention the Hydrogen generator they are starting to get approval on to release for your home. It will heat your water, generate your electricity, and run your home completely independent of any utility companies. They have so much of this stuff in Europe already and it is being kept hidden from the US Billions are being spent to keep it from us.

There is some video on this web page scorll down and watch it.

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=watertt

[RDKamikaze]

Lucky - So you're going to spoil any belief of HHO generators for you and other people who don't do hours of research about the topic, looking at the good, bad and the ugly? Sure sounds fair to me...

Some of us are willing to spend some money on something that we have found proven to work after looking hard enough, and besides, all you have to waist trying is what, $50? And besides, there are plenty of people out there who DO NOT know what they are doing, and having and tuning an HHO generator for your car requires a bit of knowledge on what you are doing. And if people are posting vids of the kits working (showing gas production), what isn't working, exactly?

Thanks for the support guys, arguing about alternative fuels is NOT my favorite topic, because I've written reports AND done over 100 hours of high-quality research into this topic. I bought my first system on ebay to see how they were constructed and how well they work, and it was a mason jar method with metal bolts, not wires.

The new system I'm building is made with sch40 PVC pipe, about 10" tall, and 3" round. The anodes I'm using are going to be two 6"x12" ss sheets (16ga?) wound into a circle with two pieces of plastic mesh between the sheets so they don't touch. It's pretty nice as I'm modeling it off the diyhydrogenhho.com website's generator. Mine will be slightly different though, as I will post pics if anyone's really interested.

As for all the unbelievers out there, I, as well as anybody ever, cannot convince you to change your thoughts about HHO generators. This thread was not meant to be bashful, but informative and supportive, so I would appreciate it if you left your harsh comments to yourself. Thanks and I hope some day you try it and realize what a benefit these things could be if you install AND TUNE them correctly!

[da.bell]

Oh they work. It is just a unstable system if you do not know what is going on. RDK what system did you buy and put on your car or did you build your own? They have to work with both Gas and HHO. The car will not run on HHO alone. The other thing you will notice is a decrease in engine operating temperature. The HHO has a much more consistent flame front and it is a cooler flam resulting in better burn rates of fuel and I can go on. I am currently designing a system. The nice thing is they are very easy to install and take off. You can not go through a smog test with them on your car or you will fail because the emissions will read so low the state computer system will think the smog tech is trying to cheat the system.

What is the cost of a system like this?

[RDKamikaze]

I bought my first system for $60 off ebay, but it required I buy a relay (another $7). I'm currently building a high-quality PVC pipe/ss sheet system and the total right now is around $30 BEFORE I buy the sheets today. I'm only getting two sheets at 6"x12" 304 SS 16ga, so it shouldn't be TOO bad. It's worth every penny when it works correctly, right?

[da.bell]

I bought my first system for $60 off ebay, but it required I buy a relay (another $7). I'm currently building a high-quality PVC pipe/ss sheet system and the total right now is around $30 BEFORE I buy the sheets today. I'm only getting two sheets at 6"x12" 304 SS 16ga, so it shouldn't be TOO bad. It's worth every penny when it works correctly, right?

Well, if it doesn't then there could be some problems.

How easy is it to install and what happens to the HP and/torque to the vehicle? I ask because this sounds like something I need to do to the SUV that I use to pull my boat. Getting a little tired of 13 MPG.

[Jason B]

If ever I saw a thread that deserved "the banner"--it's this one.

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