2009 Tige Boats Product Line

[skyski_tige]

I like the ballast gauge idea. I forgot my tanks were filled and raise my boat on my lift. One of the cables snapped from the weight (it was rusted also). Nothing like seeing / hearing / feeling your boat drop a foot into the water.

[eks]

I like the ballast gauge idea. I forgot my tanks were filled and raise my boat on my lift. One of the cables snapped from the weight (it was rusted also). Nothing like seeing / hearing / feeling your boat drop a foot into the water.

I second that, I like the gauge idea!

Also,None of this "Tiges do not need ballast" business.

They do produce a nice wake without, perhaps the best without ballast. But ballast is definably needed, IMO

So let's integrate a nice ballast system.

[deanwarwick]

I second that, I like the gauge idea!

Also,None of this "Tiges do not need ballast" business.

They do produce a nice wake without, perhaps the best without ballast. But ballast is definably needed, IMO

So let's integrate a nice ballast system.

we have a 20i and we dont have ballast, we wakeboard fine without. anyone who has ballast on a tige has it because they WANT it, or because they want to make boarding easier by gettin more height instead of practicing constantly until you can do it with a smaller wake and better technique. IMO ballast is not needed, just makes life easier.

[eks]

we have a 20i and we dont have ballast, we wakeboard fine without. anyone who has ballast on a tige has it because they WANT it, or because they want to make boarding easier by gettin more height instead of practicing constantly until you can do it with a smaller wake and better technique. IMO ballast is not needed, just makes life easier.

I've added a ballast system to my RZ2 not because of the wakeboard, but surfing.

I agree with you that you can wakeboard without it, but the option of have a nice integrated system would be a plus.

Now, the wake surf without a ballast is a little pathetic! Again, I am not saying that you can't do it, but with ballast it is much easier.

[KonaKing]

I've added a ballast system to my RZ2 not because of the wakeboard, but surfing.

I agree with you that you can wakeboard without it, but the option of have a nice integrated system would be a plus.

Now, the wake surf without a ballast is a little pathetic! Again, I am not saying that you can't do it, but with ballast it is much easier.

[TriValleyMarine]

09

Unfortunately, I doubt there will be a price decrease, regardless of lower demand. I wouldn't even expect prices to stay the same. One problem is that the majority of materials, fiberglass, resin, vinyl, even canvas are all petroleum based products. You know where those prices have gone lately, through the roof. Each year engine manufacturers are notorious for raising their engine prices to boat companies; they have increased costs for labor, parts and especially transportation. That usually can translate to a 4-6% increase on dealer cost. I understand it costs boat manufacturers about the same for materials, drives, engines and so on. I've been told it doesn't cost much less for Tige to build their boats than Mastercraft or Malibu. The only answer in lowering costs is make the boat with cheaper materials, less features, cut production and labor costs or other overhead expenses. It's interesting, all the boat manufacturers have their set profit margins they work on. They get their price from the dealer and the dealer is left trying to make some kind of profit to run a business. I would love to have a business like the manufacturers have where I know I have a solid, set profit margin that I don't have to discount. Sounds like a good deal. Anyway, we would love to see Tige have lower or better prices so we could gain market share. We have talked to Tige about that, and despite the idea of lower prices to increase demand, I don't think that's ever going to happen.

[dogbert]

Unfortunately, I doubt there will be a price decrease, regardless of lower demand. I wouldn't even expect prices to stay the same. One problem is that the majority of materials, fiberglass, resin, vinyl, even canvas are all petroleum based products. You know where those prices have gone lately, through the roof. Each year engine manufacturers are notorious for raising their engine prices to boat companies; they have increased costs for labor, parts and especially transportation. That usually can translate to a 4-6% increase on dealer cost. I understand it costs boat manufacturers about the same for materials, drives, engines and so on. I've been told it doesn't cost much less for Tige to build their boats than Mastercraft or Malibu. The only answer in lowering costs is make the boat with cheaper materials, less features, cut production and labor costs or other overhead expenses. It's interesting, all the boat manufacturers have their set profit margins they work on. They get their price from the dealer and the dealer is left trying to make some kind of profit to run a business. I would love to have a business like the manufacturers have where I know I have a solid, set profit margin that I don't have to discount. Sounds like a good deal. Anyway, we would love to see Tige have lower or better prices so we could gain market share. We have talked to Tige about that, and despite the idea of lower prices to increase demand, I don't think that's ever going to happen.

A price increase is not necessarily a bad thing. It helps with resale value.

[da.bell]

A price increase is not necessarily a bad thing. It helps with resale value.

An I know about resale value right now.

[skyski_tige]

we have a 20i and we dont have ballast, we wakeboard fine without. anyone who has ballast on a tige has it because they WANT it, or because they want to make boarding easier by gettin more height instead of practicing constantly until you can do it with a smaller wake and better technique. IMO ballast is not needed, just makes life easier.

Ballast makes the wake go from "nice wake" to "that wake scared the crap out of me! I have never gotten that much air in my life"

the integrated ballast system was on my boat when I purchased it.

[Ks]

Unfortunately, I doubt there will be a price decrease, regardless of lower demand. I wouldn't even expect prices to stay the same. One problem is that the majority of materials, fiberglass, resin, vinyl, even canvas are all petroleum based products. You know where those prices have gone lately, through the roof. Each year engine manufacturers are notorious for raising their engine prices to boat companies; they have increased costs for labor, parts and especially transportation. That usually can translate to a 4-6% increase on dealer cost. I understand it costs boat manufacturers about the same for materials, drives, engines and so on. I've been told it doesn't cost much less for Tige to build their boats than Mastercraft or Malibu. The only answer in lowering costs is make the boat with cheaper materials, less features, cut production and labor costs or other overhead expenses. It's interesting, all the boat manufacturers have their set profit margins they work on. They get their price from the dealer and the dealer is left trying to make some kind of profit to run a business. I would love to have a business like the manufacturers have where I know I have a solid, set profit margin that I don't have to discount. Sounds like a good deal. Anyway, we would love to see Tige have lower or better prices so we could gain market share. We have talked to Tige about that, and despite the idea of lower prices to increase demand, I don't think that's ever going to happen.

Being a dealer, you must have an idea of the price increase coming forth for 09 and the new designs. Can you tell us?

As someone mentioned, it's not a bad thing as it will increase the value of used boats for sale. based on what you said, do you think it will be more then a 10% increase on cost to you? ( this is a random number as I have no clue what true cost is on any of the boats) but lets assume a RZ2 fully loaded was 50K in 08 dealer cost, are you expecting it to jump to $55K with the 09 price increase? (again just simple example of what 10% looks like on paper)

And are the dealers suppose to pass that increase on or are they going to have to eat it as the # of new boat sales is down?

Thanks..

[da.bell]

I think that the dealers went up 7-9% from 2007 to 2008 models. I would expect that for the 2009 models.

[Tanner]

Standard price increase every year is 6% ... just kind of a given. But this year... who knows

[gman]

Tige may want to think about some chrome tips on the exhaust as option. This would make the boat look a lot nicer in my opinion.

[da.bell]

We also are aware that Tim White (Wetsounds1) is testing a new RZ swim platform.

[eks]

And the hull thicker than 1/4 inch!