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[Gudge]

one more time for the slow ones:

a) on THIS site, has a Tige owner insecure about his purchase:

b) on THIS site, owns a boat, wants to understand why Tige markets wood, taps, no ballast as good one minute, and not good enough the next.

Grow up and explain.

[BC06]

At one point Ford marketed tubed tires and 8-track players, then they found something that they thought worked better. I have no idea what goes on in Tige's board-room, but you market what you build and you build what you think works best for the material prices and production costs that you want to stay within.

I am not insecure about my purchase but I do appreciate your diagnosis. Anneal sucker-punched me with his original question and I fell for it; I actually spent some time looking up the answer and replied in good-faith. He wasn't interested in what I had to say, he was looking for ammunition.

[malibu3]

You guys should grow up. On the malibuboatowners.com site you will see threads of what owners want to see Malibu do differently as well as potential buyers. For example the threads on the HDS (Hydroponic Dampening System), the thread about the time the Wedge hit something and busted the fiberglass on the transom. ETC ETC ETC.

To the point of everyone I took a couple cheap shots and I was looking to rouse and have fun as I would joke with my friends that have Tige boats. It is a rivalry but I do not take it personally, it is guys giving each other a hard time! Kinda like the Chevy Ford debate.

You guys need to realize your potential here and what a vast amount of information you can get from this site. If you guys merily just say we only want to hear positive then would you be afraid to post something negative that happened so you could get an answer.

I can tell you that Aneal is a very knowledable person with regards to the industry and his advice is invaluable. He has provided many people with good feedback on Malibuboatowners.com. In fact he has even done a repair job on a tige for a buddy of his, a fuse was blown keeping the motor from running.

Once again to reiterate. My fun jabbing was no different than giving my friends a hard time. Think about what you all want this site to accomplish and don't close the door every time someone questions the motives of Tige or the direction they are headed.

Thanks.

Malibu3

[BC06]

I think that's reasonable.

[Cheeky]

Perhaps instead of telling us to grow up (which is insulting), maybe you should realize jokes with people you do not know do not translate well on the internet. When people are kidding, they will put j/k to help the reader understand what they are doing.

I know what you are saying about kidding with friends, we heckle MC and Bu owners constantly since most of our group are Tige owners. We gladly ride behind any of the boats there and our friends know we are kidding.

On the net though, I do not do this because it looks like a cheap shot and these people do not know where you are coming from.

In other words, look in the mirror for part of the blame as to why people got steamed over the posts..... Some of your comments were inflamatory and not taken as jokes since text does not ranslate the same.

I ask myself why even keep posting here, because at the end of the day, it's just a bulletin board. I do hate seeing false and disparaging comments made since some reader will not understand the background.

Also, I had no problem with the original post or question. I do believe the replies to those who answered were rude and uncalled for (basically looking to stir the pot). If someone does not answer your question, a simple " I still do not understand" would be sufficient versus "Thanks for the Attempt" and " You must have gone to the Tige school of Marketing ". Those both come accross as rude.

[Cheeky]

BTW, questioning Tige comments on ballast. You know they do market to all boaters, not just hard core wakeboarder right?

I have friends with Tiges and all they want to do is enjoy time with the family, but they want the look and handling of an inboard, plus the lay out of a Vdrive. He does not want ballast, nor does he care. with friends in the boat, he likes the wake.

Now, when people are hooked and want to take it to the next level, they add ballast. I think when Tige talks about no ballast, they are targeting the families who wish to enjoy their boats and not worried about backrolls and tantrums (unless it's their kid acting up ).

We can go anywhere and find things to pick apart in any advertising campaign. How about we just let it go.

FYI, no insecurity on my purchase, just tired of people talking smack and not listening when someone tries to answer. I drove all the other boats and the Tige was my choice for my family.

[Banks]

nicely put, and I did just the same, as in testing. I am also tired of all the ill mannored talk about Tige'.

[Jester]

Originally posted by aneal000
spooner, I'll agree there is a big difference between a wedge and the TAPS. I never tried to compare the two. Only thing I said was that tige is saying they don't need "Drag Hardware" when they have a piece of metal that they drag around every lake are river they are put on!

Actually its for variable hook. It changes the hydrodynamics of the hull where the hook is usually found. So no, it is not a piece of "drag hardware", but a hook manipulation device.

[malibu3]

Jester, You are a genious! It is a something trim tab state of the art piece of metal that is behind the hull but does not drag make your wake better device! You got it! Your exactly right. Could I get your autograph?

[Jester]

Originally posted by malibu3
Jester, You are a genious! It is a something trim tab state of the art piece of metal that is behind the hull but does not drag make your wake better device! You got it! Your exactly right. Could I get your autograph?

Well thank you for the compliment. =) Maybe tige could use that to describe the taps system?

Its hard to imagine people have enough time in the day to visit forums and try to point out the shortcommings and faults of other people and their posts. I guess some people need others to argue with to survive or to make them feel more intelligent than the average Joe.

Whatever happened to forums where information and suggestions are made without people intervening who are totally biased?

Well im done with this topic. This dead horse has been beaten enough. Maybe you will fell the same way. But then again, your the type who has to have the last word in.

So here is your chance, add your last words here, I wont be replying

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[OldSkier]

Oh no..... the MBO website is down again.

Look out for aneal000 and malibu3 to rejoin and try some new "constructive" commentary.

[mctrick]

My First Post Im reading about the TAPS system being refered to as something that is being drug for wake performance like some of the other Manufactures out there but dont we raise the Taps all the way up to get the hull to sit deeper creating a larger wake and lower the TAPS to get the boat flatter for skiing performance and so I would agree with Tiges description of not having dragging effects on there boat for increased wake perfomance.

[Ruune]

TAPS is not drag hardware- it is a variable extension of the hull. This means that #1 it does not hang below the hull ("dragging" doesnt necessarily mean "trailing behind."), and #2 it doesnt increase the drag coefficient of the hull- unlike the wedge. By the same token, CorrectCraft's hydrogate isnt "drag hardware" either. Dont get me wrong- its a good idea, but having a hydrofoil hanging at the back of the hull makes my cringe at the thought of hitting something. Especially with the shots I've seen online about ripped transoms.

Wood in the hulls- Tigé does not have wood in their hulls. In fact, the teak platforms are the only wood in the entire boat. I'd argue the validity of wood as a construction material, but thats a tired debate and is a moot point. So get over it, move on. Next?

Oldskier- you're talking sarcastically about aneal000 and malibu3 making constructive commentary? That seems like a contradiction and to quote your post from yesterday "It's like you're a little kid trying to start a fight in the schoolyard."

As for the ballast argument- Honestly, who cares? Try the boat out, if you like the wake as it is, dont add ballast. If you want to go bigger, by all means, add it. These boats have TREMENDOUS storage space. Tigé appears to be gearing towards a wider audience and selling the point that you can have a decent wake without adding ballast... BUT you CAN add it if you want. This is going to vary from rider to rider, and also vary by how many people are in the boat. It's based on opinion, and theres no definitive answer.

Marketing's main goal is to attract attention to their product. No matter what you say about positioning, I believe that this debate is proof that they succeeded.

[neilm]

Originally posted by OldSkier
Oh no..... the MBO website is down again.

Look out for aneal000 and malibu3 to rejoin and try some new "constructive" commentary.

OldSkier, you're just plain B A D (ROFL) + ... just wait till TR gets here.. they'll need a new server to handle the volume......

p.s. does "oldskier" - "Doug?"

[tkuzma]

The other BIG part of the TAPS2 equation that gets overlooked by the people who don't truly know Tige boats is the shape of the hull. TAPS2 by itself is like a trim tab. But with the convex V hull, the combo works together incredibly well to change the size and shape of the wake. For me, less ballast added to the boat=less strain on the engine=longer engine life. For me, a no brainer!!! Tige all the way!