? about tige and their direction

[ichoop]

aneal000,

I got a late start to this post and have skimmed over the 5 pages. I think we should see if you have changed your mind about what you are asking. If you haven't, and are still concerned about tige's marketing, maybe you should give them a call and ask them where they are going with it.

I personally drove and rode behind many boats before I bought my tige. I do this with cars as well. I bought the tige because I like their approach to producing wake better than others. I didn't want to have any more expensive pieces under water than nessecary, and didn't want to pump 1500 pounds of water into my boat. I am not a pro wakeboarder and the stock wake is great for me and my friends. I also thought the tige handled rough water better. Hope this helps...

[neilm]

Originally posted by Cheeky
Group Hug?

! Good Answer, Cheeky .. probably one of the most sane responses in this thread !

... this thread is just too active [addictive?] not to throw in another two cents.

The TAPS plate (a large trim tab, really) extends the running surface of the boat beyond the transom. Since there is a positive coefficient of friction caused by water flowing across this surface (ie. the CoF is not zero), "drag" exists, so from a purely scientific perspective, Aneal is right - the TAPS plate 'drags' too...

As far as the rest of it goes, I don't believe that any manufacturer benefits from 'mud slinging' ad campaigns -- they all need to 'grow up'.

There... two cents....

[aneal000]

Group hug...

ichoop... I am only responding because you directly asked me, not because I am the type of person who has to have the last post as some of the other posters would lead you to believe.

But to give you my feelings 6 pages later, no I still don't understand why they did what they did. Their have been many direct answers to my questions but none that make sense in my humble little mind. I can go thru each one on an individual basis and explain what I mean. My first question was about the "Drag Hardware" it seems that this has been drug out and thru the dirt between malibu3 and others... my only point is to the average person looking to buy a new boat tige says they don't need drag hardware and then they go look at a Tige at a boat show or on a showroom floor and they see what can very easily be mistaken as drag hardware. I can understand everyone's comments and attempts to explain physics and rationalize how by a specific definition of the word it is not dragging behind the boat, but come on... remember think basic here, since that is how most people process... IT DOES DRAG. Tige marketing now has to explain what they are doing. Marketing should strengthen the ideas and goals of the company, not confuse potential buyers.

My second question was on the wake. I think one or two guys hit upon the same thing I had noticed, and that would be that once again Tige's marketing was misleading.

Thirdly I asked about the switch from wood to non wood and how they were dealing with customer preception with this change. And again I got opinions and suggestions but no real answers.

So you guys are probably wondering what it is I want to hear to go away? My main quesion was and still is: Does Tige have a stratigy with their marketing or is this really just done on purpose? Is it supposed to be misleading? Or they changing some of their marketing and forgot to change the rest? I would consider Tige to be a successful company, they are def. in the top 5, I just have a hard time beliving they would go to print with articles as misleading and as confusing as I have seen. I figured that some dealer somewhere would see my post and try and explain to me that the reason they did that was because of.......

Well I have been mistaken. So far I have upset everyone and made them think I am trying to come on this site to bash the compitition. Anyone that knows me as a person knows that that's not what I am about. Sure I joke around a lot with my buddies over all of our own boats, but I don't bash them just for the heck of it. I was truly trying to use this new site for what I thought it was going to be: a place to exchange information.
Regards,
Tony

[Nautiques]

Aneal00,
I think we have to quit beating the dead horse here. When I talked to one of the tige guys, he beat around the bush about a lot of little issued that I asked and I think some people around here are doing the same thing or something similar. This is my last post on this discussion!

[Andrew]

TAPS

The Tigé Adjustable Performance System has generated lively discussion since it was first introduced by Tigé in 1995. The fact that the patented technology it is in its ninth full year of production and loved by thousands of Tigé owners around the world is proof enough that TAPS works, providing Tigé owners with more versatility and a safer, more comfortable ride.
In the Wakeboarding Mag ad, Tigé was explaining how TAPS and the Tigé ConvexV hull affects wakeboarding performance. In this case, “drag hardware”, refers to anything that is used to alter the natural, hydrodynamic performance of the boat. Specifically, “drag hardware” extends below the transom, pulling the hull down to counteract the natural running attitude of a conventional “hooked” hull in an effort to create more water displacement and larger wakes. Those who have driven a boat configured with drag hardware are aware of what this does to overall performance.
The TAPS plate is a permanent part of the running surface of the Tigé ConvexV hull. It does not extend below the running surface. Because the ConvexV hull has no “hook”, the movable TAPS plate acts as a “variable hook” that allows the driver to set the running attitude of the hull. At boarding speeds with TAPS in the “up” position, the hull settles into the water and creates significant water displacement and huge wakeboarding wakes.
The TAPS² wake chart was put together by Tigé Pro riders who have spent thousands of hours behind our boats. It was developed to further demonstrate how TAPS and the ConvexV hull deliver pro-level wakeboarding wakes without the need for ballast or the aforementioned drag hardware. Adding ballast to a Tigé may benefit advance riders performing pro-level tricks. For the majority of riders, however, TAPS2 and the ConvexV hull provide optimum wake characteristics without the sacks.


Construction
Recent developments in composite technology and materials is the reason Tigé has eliminated wood from its construction beginning in 2004. Tigé has always overbuilt its boats in the interest of performance, safety and durability. With this in mind, Tigé made a point not to go all-composite if it meant lessening its quality and performance. The new all-composite process is dramatically different than that used by any other inboard watersport boat, creating a hull three times stronger with 300 percent more contact surface area than traditional stringer construction methods. As in the past, we still build all of our boats using primary bonding techniques throughout. Our R&D department tested composite material for over three years before releasing the Tigé LifePlus Core construction and engineering. Tigé converted to all-composite construction knowing that it made the strongest boat in the world even stronger.

Marketing
Tigé builds the most versatile watersport boat in the industry. Our marketing is aimed at communicating that versatility plus the innovation, quality and overall benefits our boats deliver to a wide variety of watersports enthusiasts…including wakeboarders. We’re always willing to share information on the design and construction of our product line and invite you to come and visit our manufacturing facility in Abilene, Texas. We would be happy to put you up in a hotel if you would like to drive down here and see what we are trying to achieve. If you are interested in coming, please contact myself at (325) 676-7777 or tigeman@tige.com.

Andrew Reyes
Tigé Customer Service Manager

[Domsz06]

Originally posted by Cheeky
This just in:
Tige is calling it's swim platform TAPS3 since it drags in the water....

hahaha, Mine doesn't drag, well ok, if I put my 600 lb friends on it it does

[Domsz06]

aneal,

I always wondered what the wedge was about. Thanks for clearing that up.

Dom

[Domsz06]

GO ANDREW!!!

Someone read my post and answered it. I feel special. That clears things up so nicely(IMO) I might take you up on that offer of a room, if I can get some time off of work. I'd love to see how my boat was made.

Thanks and good night all!!

[tigebill]

Malibu3 says, "Thanks for the offer. I have been out in a Tige, as well as many other boats with revolutionary trim tabs! Not all Malibu's have hooks in their Hull design, the non diamond hulls do not have the hook. But guess what in the diamond hull there is hook but that hook is part of the hull, not a bolted on foreign object on the back"

I'm confused! Do the Malibu's 'DIAMOND HULL" have hook built into the hull or not? I would never question you as a Malibu owner but I don't think you really know what your talking about. And I really don't mean that to be a but just read your own post.

[malibu3]

On the Diamond Hull for malibu, it is set up to be there "Skiiing" hull. It does have the hook at the stern of the boat that provides "Lift" on the hull therefore pushing the bow into the water.

The non-diamond hulls do not have this hook. As you run your hand along the bottom side of the hull you do not feel the hook as such in the diamond hull.

I apoligize for the confusion as I was typing fast trying to get my point across.

Good night all!

Malibu3

[tigebill]

"you do not feel the hook as much" So I ask again, is there hook in the Malibu's hull. Not trying to speak for you but I think you are trying to say that they have reduced the hook in the NON DIAMOND HULL. They actually haven't taken the hook all the way as Tige has done in their Convex V.

[Ruune]

The difference in the convex V hull and a traditional hull is not necessarily just the hook, and I feel that Tigé should concentrate on marketing the other aspects of the design, rather than pointing out that some manufacturers are using a "hook" at the end.

What I'm referring to is the area where the semi-V breaks the water- the area directly below the windshield. It's larger than your typical inboard- meaning that theres slightly more hull below the waterline at a standstill. Now, since this planing area sits higher, and the stern side has a slight upward curve at the back, the area between the two follows an CONVEX arc. This is instead of a straight line from the breaking point in the water to the transom. Because of this, the bow will tend to rise higher. This in turn shifts more weight back. Since the upward curve of the transom side inhibits lift on the rear of the planing surface, you end up with more hull in the water... thus displacing more water and creating a bigger wake.

Also, I'm not sure about I-drives, but with TAPS all the way up and at wide open throttle, 22v's (and by extension, I'm assuming 20v's and 24v's do the same) tend to porpoise. That is, the bow tends to hop up and down. This is easily correctable with TAPS, which is why it's a must-have on these boats if you ever intend on going faster than say... 30mph.

Some people complain about excessive bowrise in the 22v, but from my experience with TAPS all the way up, its still far less than an I/O. With TAPS all the way down, its hardly noticeable.

Well, I'm done rambling... I guess my final point is that instead of concentrating on the "hook" bit, they should be promoting the entire design. It seems complicated, but a simple illustration wouldn't be hard to explain the entire idea.

[neilm]

I guess my final point is that instead of concentrating on the "hook" bit, they should be promoting the entire design. It seems complicated, but a simple illustration wouldn't be hard to explain the entire idea.

Agree... Promote... don't take cheap shots (ie "Drag Hardware") and expect that you won't get dragged (sorry - couldn't resist ) through the mud yourself.

I personally think a hull designed to take advantage of an adjustable tab (ie. the whole TAPS concept) is a great idea (even although I don't own a Tige).

.. I smell a dead horse....

[Ruune]

hehe... excuse me.

[tige24v]

THE END

This is the same CRAP that wakeboarder.com tries to argue every month or so and everyone gets upset and claims this boat is crap or that boat is junk. Whatever - The intent of THIS WEB SITE has been missed. Hull design debate, wake shape/size, and build quality were something to be addressed before the purchase decision - the name of this site is TIGEOWNERS.COM.

This site should be used to share information about how to make the Tige ownership experience better - period. Worthless manufacturer debates belong back at www.wakeboarder.com if you need conflict or rancid debate in your life.

Who cares about magazine pages or advertisements - they are just words on a page. Who would make a serious purchase decision based on an magazine advertisement ???? and god forbid anyone think advertising ever stretches the truth or is "confusing" in our perfect world.

Driving the boat, talking to owners, dealer support/warranty, and build quality are all that matter. I have learned this the hard way as we are on boat number 6 and the 24v is our favorite one yet.


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