? about tige and their direction

[aneal000]

tigebill, I have owned many boats in the past. As of today I do own a malibu. The current boat I own should be irrelevant to the posts I have made. I have at no time directly compared any boat to the Tige or in any way made any boat out to be better than any other. I did this so it wouldn't turn into a boat war. I am not interested in calling other manufactures names. I came to this site and found very little support and a lot of willingness for a fight. I don't hang out at wakeboarder.com or anywhere else that bashed other boats. I can pick apart most boats, including my own. What I was more interested in was the direction tige was trying to take with their marketing and to make it apparent that they contradict themselves in most of their ads. Instead I got hit with: your boat sucks, leave the site, deal with it... mostly answers from from what seems to be immature people.

[Cheeky]

Thank Ruune, I was working on my reply, but that is what I am getting at.

You are using the wrong definition of drag.

[Ruune]

sorry you feel that way... some of us try and help the best we can.

cheeky... no problemo

[Domsz06]

It seems to me that we are all arguing over a ad. I argued about it too at first. I'm going to go buy the ad tonight, so I can fully understand it. One thing that seems clear is that tige says one thing in the ad, and everyone says that's not true. I'm not a pro, simply someone who enjoys the wake, and enjoys the lake. I know that I have put ballast in my tige, and ran it with out. The only difference I have seen, and felt is the size. I can still jump the wake, do 180's, do grabs, etc. The only difference is how High I get. Now, my boat says it was the offcial tow boat in the world wakeboarding championship? now is that just graphics or is it the real deal. I don't know, because I just got into wakeboarding. The only thing I do know tige has always stood behind that the boat the build is for the WHOLE family. That is why they used the ad with kids(not pro adults) fishing out of it. This memorial day I have a friend flying in from Hawaii to board behind my boat. He is on the semi pro tour there. He has a wakesetter, and he is TICKLED pink to get pulled behind my boat, now what's that mean? I have no idea, but he likes the boats, he is just a malibu dealer, so he gets a discount, so he bought that one. Basically the thing is that people here are buying a boat, spending money on it and they are defending it. That is just human nature. Aneal is asking questions that many of us do not know, and I understand that. The question is does it really matter? Tige is advertising items to get people to see them and think, "Wow I can get that big of a wake without ballast, AWESOME!!" Now maybe it's not true, but when was the last time all ads were true? Look at all the beer comercials, or the truck comercials. I mean, does the sweedish bikini team really come out and congrat you when you win, does kid rock make it ok to party till the sun comes up and your wife and kids are home? Does it mean since I open a can of beer, an instant party is going to happen? Does it mean that since I am drinking a beer with a touch less carbs, that I can now go ride the tour de france? NO. Advertising is designed to get everyone to come buy their product. Advertising will stretch the truth. I mean it's just a fact of life. There are so many products out there, they have to get that market share. It's not like it was in the day, where there was just mastercraft. I mean, I was looking in a mag, the other day and there were like 3 new companies entering the Wakeboard market. CRAZY!!

Aneall Your questions were good, and I wish I could answer them, I can't. I wish someone at tige would see this post, and have the marketing guy who thought of this campaign come up and tell why he did it and what he was thinking, That would be GREAT!! As for all the bickering( Iknow I did some of it too) I'm sorry, and everyone else is too. We want to keep this forum positive. I'm tickled pink that this is here. I found out how to adjust my speedo, and fixed my warrenty problem with the throttle, without hauling it to the city to have them do it. It's a forum, and we are all going to agree on somethings, disagree on others, and really hate it when something we feel is threatened, that's just human nature.

Ok, I'm off to work. bye for now

Dom

[Domsz06]

Originally posted by Ruune
aneal... scroll down on www.dictionary.com definition #9n. :
"The retarding force exerted on a moving body by a fluid medium such as air or water. "

Since we're tallking about hydrodynamics, this is what I relate to this situation. TAPS doesnt directly increase hydrodynamic drag. Diverts moving water (i.e. "thrust") to change the attitude of the hull... which in turn may or may not effect the drag coefficient of the boat itself. That depends on the "angle of attack" the boat holds through the water and how much of the hull is actually moving through the water itself.

In contrast to the TAPS system, from what I've seen of wakeplates- they actually hang lower than the hull and physically increase the drag coefficient of the boat.

Very nice def!!!

[Cheeky]

Perhaps when you continually argue and not listen, people get tired of dealing with you?

I was actaully being rude about the Malibu vs Moomba for a reason (did not know you had one or care that you do). Most owners do not like seeing their boats compared that way, as Malibu guy did. Perhaps I should go on the Malibu site with my observations? I have ridden in Malibus and truth be told, like them. I am sure I could find some things I do not like though and bring them out on Malibu board.

I actually did not care about this topic until it started turning into an argument. Try understanding drag as it applies here and then respond. Do not pick the first definition that pops up and does not even fit in this conversation.

[aneal000]

Thanks for your response Dom, the most logical one I have read so far.

Feel free to post the last word on this thread... it really won't bother me!

[Cheeky]

ok, i will

[Ruune]

dom? ahem.. <cough>Originally posted by Ruune <cough>

[Cheeky]

just to be fair, i went back and reread this whole post (yeah i am a glutton for punishment)

You got your answers to this several times, yet you used an insulting response to several who answered (especiaaly Ruune who started off answering your question quite nicely.) You got stuck on calling TAPS drag hardware and refused to listen.

sometime first impressions count.........

[malibu3]

If a trim tab (ie Tige revolutinary taps) is in the down position far enough that it raisies the back of the boat and pushes the nose of the boat into the water at speed, how do you justify that it is not being dragged? The friction and pressure against the Plate, not the hull make boat react accordingly!

HMMMMMM?

Glad I have a Malibu

[Cheeky]

in an airplane, wouldn't that be called lift? similiar reaction here... the plate pushes back against the water and lifts that boat up. It is especially not drag since "it is behind the boat" The two have nothing to do with each other.

Glad you have a Malibu too. Here's a site you may want to check out...

http://malibuboatowners.com/

[malibu3]

In an airplane you are correct the result is "lift of the plan" but the flaps that are down are dragging air!!!!!! Geez are u some kind of genious!

Same way with the boat the effect on the hull is lift but the plate is dragging to cause that effect!

[Banks]

taps up wakeboard opposite of wedge down in a malibu
taps down slalom

[Cheeky]

dragging the air? Again the flaps creat lift (thats why they are down when the plane is going slow). At speed the shape of the plane's wing creates the lift, but at low speeds the flaps alter the shape to keep the lift going and the plane up.

There is drag here, but the effect is totally different from where this began. This began using drag as something to pull down, which is not the case here. The Taps plate alter the running attitude and lifts the rear of the boat at lower speefds, much like flaps... At higher speeds, the TAPS plate begins losing it effect as the hull levels out, much like the flaps of a plane. You do not fly with the flaps down the whole time....

If you want to begin hurling insults, I'm game....

You appear to be the genius at work here...go tell your Malibu buddies how you showed them Tige boys.....