Help me decide...Z1 vs Mobius LSV vs Vride!

[quick]

Good for you. I do know that Tige was having problems with their vinyl 3-4 years ago in the seems from what I understand. They have fixed that problem and they have moved onto better vinyl.

Turn on a dime???? Show me an inboard that can turn on a dime and I will give you my ocean front property that I own in Arizona.

Now that is just funny. Again, we try not to bash other products here but love to bash ignorant people that don't know anything about products.

I have ocean front property in AZ My vinyl is 6 years old and there is not one single tear in it....

[chpthril]

Seems as if he was trying to compare a 10 + year old Tige to his BU VRIDE. Personally I hate when a salesman A) doesn't really know his competition and B) is not confident enough in his own product he has to try to create problems or issues with the competition in order to sell his product.

The fact of the matter is that Tige has a winner here with the Z1 and I think the competition knows it.

Good luck with the purchase whatever you decide is right for you.

Of course he is, it's a 10yr old V-ride

No wood in the Tige, best stereo in the biz, if you want louder (noticed I didn't say better), your dealer can add to it.

[chpthril]

Nother funny thing....place where I tested the vride is bashing the Tige...kinda...just OVER selling the better quality of the vride...ya know....heres what he said...

Make sure you put the tower up and down. Also drive it through big waves like I did and watch or listen to the tower move, among other things. Try to turn it on a dime, notice the tape graphics. I feel these are OK on a sled but not on boats of this caliber. Also ask why they use wood in the construction, and why the inferior vinyl, seems like big sacrificing for a stereo. If you can come out to the demo day tomorrow, I'd love to take you for another ride. Have a good week end!

I would choose "real" graphics over gel'd in graphics any day. Dock-rash will get the best of boat captains at some point.

Our Z1, which I put in the water yesterday, drove like it's on rails, but for the life of me, I dont know what water sport they do over at Malibu, that requires power turns at 40mph

Tige used very nice vinyl in ALL there boats. They actually stepped up from what my 06 has.

[Guest]

Another advantage is if you get tired of original graphics you can easily have them removed and modify or just plain remove them.

[chpthril]

Another advantage is if you get tired of original graphics you can easily have them removed and modify or just plain remove them.

[johnsvt]

I think the Z1 is a very nice boat in the 21 ft entry segment. Of the three boats you are looking at the Z1 and V-ride do come to the front as far as a good buy. I will say I have a Vride and almost traded my boat on either an RZ2, VLX, or 23 LSV. I actually never bought a new boat and stuck with my little Vride mainly because of a kid going to college and the economy is slow.

Pricing:

Anyhow, I would consider a couple things on the pricing of the Z1 you are looking at. First and foremost, I hope you realize the options is where a boat's price gets over inflated and where all the discount comes from. For example the tower of power for 4400, that is a rip. I know for a fact that pro60's and pro80's can be bought for less than MSRP and kicker amps are not all that expensive either. I can remember listening to the whole sales thing on the Z1 and tige's goal is to sell a well optioned Z1 in the low 40's (remember RZ2's can be sold in the mid 50's.) Also a Vride should really sell in the mid to low 40's depending on equipment.

Wake Quality:

First I will say I have yet to ride behind a Z1 and have only seen pictures. The wake looks decent unweighted. However who rides around unweighted? If the wake is similar to an RZ2 then it will be pretty good, but it still is going to need some weight to keep up with a Vride wake. The Vride is an old hull with proven wake qualities. I absolutely have ownership goggles here and do feel as a wakeboarding wake the Vride is one of the better ones. The Z1 just doesn't have enough owners or time to declare it on par, yet. I know someone is going to chime in about taps and adjusting the wake on the fly. Believe it or not I can add of dump ballast on the fly in my malibu and adjust with no problem either. I have yet to figure out how to jump out of wakeboard boots onto a slalom ski and start ripping in what 4 seconds...but that doesn't mean I wouldn't try.

Handling and Interior:

In comparison to a Z1 the Vride has the same bling factor and similar handling. Build quality on the Tige is close to the Malibu and getting better every year. I have had as many as 8-9 in my boat and yes it does feel small, however I am not sure how much 7 inches is really going to help. I also have never experienced water on coming onto my sunpad when stopping.

Conclusion:

If I were in your shoes I would question how are you going to use the boat? For example, I use my boat for wakeboarding. I would also question which dealer do you like working with more? A good dealer does make a difference.
I would actually say you couldn't go wrong buying a Z1. However work on that price a little bit. If that boat was demoed at the Tige owner's meetings...I would I would guess it got run pretty good and they should give a good deal on it. Good luck with your choice.

[chpthril]

I think the Z1 is a very nice boat in the 21 ft entry segment. Of the three boats you are looking at the Z1 and V-ride do come to the front as far as a good buy. I will say I have a Vride and almost traded my boat on either an RZ2, VLX, or 23 LSV. I actually never bought a new boat and stuck with my little Vride mainly because of a kid going to college and the economy is slow.

Pricing:

Anyhow, I would consider a couple things on the pricing of the Z1 you are looking at. First and foremost, I hope you realize the options is where a boat's price gets over inflated and where all the discount comes from. For example the tower of power for 4400, that is a rip. I know for a fact that pro60's and pro80's can be bought for less than MSRP and kicker amps are not all that expensive either. I can remember listening to the whole sales thing on the Z1 and tige's goal is to sell a well optioned Z1 in the low 40's (remember RZ2's can be sold in the mid 50's.) Also a Vride should really sell in the mid to low 40's depending on equipment.

Wake Quality:

First I will say I have yet to ride behind a Z1 and have only seen pictures. The wake looks decent unweighted. However who rides around unweighted? If the wake is similar to an RZ2 then it will be pretty good, but it still is going to need some weight to keep up with a Vride wake. The Vride is an old hull with proven wake qualities. I absolutely have ownership goggles here and do feel as a wakeboarding wake the Vride is one of the better ones. The Z1 just doesn't have enough owners or time to declare it on par, yet. I know someone is going to chime in about taps and adjusting the wake on the fly. Believe it or not I can add of dump ballast on the fly in my malibu and adjust with no problem either. I have yet to figure out how to jump out of wakeboard boots onto a slalom ski and start ripping in what 4 seconds...but that doesn't mean I wouldn't try.

Handling and Interior:

In comparison to a Z1 the Vride has the same bling factor and similar handling. Build quality on the Tige is close to the Malibu and getting better every year. I have had as many as 8-9 in my boat and yes it does feel small, however I am not sure how much 7 inches is really going to help. I also have never experienced water on coming onto my sunpad when stopping.

Conclusion:

If I were in your shoes I would question how are you going to use the boat? For example, I use my boat for wakeboarding. I would also question which dealer do you like working with more? A good dealer does make a difference.
I would actually say you couldn't go wrong buying a Z1. However work on that price a little bit. If that boat was demoed at the Tige owner's meetings...I would I would guess it got run pretty good and they should give a good deal on it. Good luck with your choice.

Tower of Power a rip off huh As a Wet Sounds and Kicker dealer/istaller, if you look at 6 cabin speakers, 1 sub, 2 amps, head unit, 1 pair of Pro60's, wiring, etc, and a 3 yr warranty......$4400 is not too bad considering the manufacturer made a little selling to Tige, tige sold it to the dealer, dealer sold it to customer.

Oh yeah, the goal was a nicely equipped boat for mid 40's. A base V-ride, no options, (less boat IMO) starts at $41,700.

[johnsvt]

pro 60's - 700
amps - 400
HU - 150
6 cabin speakers - 400
1 sub - 125 - 175(I don't which one you get)
Installation - 300(done at factory is much easier or I know of a shop that charges that much)
Total - what 2100 ish

Yes 4400 is an inflated price, but give a dealer a chance to show a discount to make a customer feel better.

Vride at 41700 is MSRP and comes standard with cruise, tower, trailer. I would say that there isn't the percentage of markup in a Vride but most shouldn't pay MSRP and if the boat is built right a person could buy one for low to mid 40's, nicely/comparably equipped. The nicer boat is subject to opinion of said buyer.

Like I said what are you using the boat for? If is a family watersports boat then a Z1 is a great option. I also just think people see an option list and how a stereo is 4400 or a tower for 4k and people tend to get overwhelmed.

[dogbert]

Our Z1, which I put in the water yesterday, drove like it's on rails, but for the life of me, I dont know what water sport they do over at Malibu, that requires power turns at 40mph

It's kinda like watching those truck commercials (especially the Toyota commercials). Who in their right mind hangs a container over the side of a cliff to their pickup truck? And where do they come up with those elaborate mechanisms that look like the gauntlet out of some Sci-Fi movie?

[2thdoc01]

Good stuff guys! I appreciate it. The Moomba dealer is great, I know the guys thru my brother in law and a few other guys who skied with a bunch of the sales guys in the ski club, so as for dealers, I think the moomba guys will take care of me well.


Shipyard sounds good too, but, now I am questioning the boat with 5 hours on it, if it was beat on, I might not think the price is all that good. I have another quote of 46 for a z1 without hardly any options.

For me, I want a boat that is put together nicely, wont give me maint fits, and is good for family watersports. My kids are all young and just beginning....so pro wake are hardly necessary yet.
Now Im thinking the Z1 should be a lil less or maybe Shipyard wil throw a cherry wakeboard and tubes in to seal the deal.

[mcd]

2thdoc01, back on page 3, where did the pricing come from. That looks very high IMO. Before you get carried away with how great the V Rides interior is, lift up the cushions and check out how the seat bases are built. Then ask yourself what is going to be more durable. A screwed together (not bolted) carpeted box or a seat base that is a structural part of the boat? I wonder what else that you can't see might be inferior to a Tige?

[kko]

pro 60's - 700
amps - 400
HU - 150
6 cabin speakers - 400
1 sub - 125 - 175(I don't which one you get)
Installation - 300(done at factory is much easier or I know of a shop that charges that much)
Total - what 2100 ish

Yes 4400 is an inflated price, but give a dealer a chance to show a discount to make a customer feel better.

Vride at 41700 is MSRP and comes standard with cruise, tower, trailer. I would say that there isn't the percentage of markup in a Vride but most shouldn't pay MSRP and if the boat is built right a person could buy one for low to mid 40's, nicely/comparably equipped. The nicer boat is subject to opinion of said buyer.

Like I said what are you using the boat for? If is a family watersports boat then a Z1 is a great option. I also just think people see an option list and how a stereo is 4400 or a tower for 4k and people tend to get overwhelmed.

HU 150 i dont think so show me a cmd5 for a $150 i will buy all of them! 3 sets of wet sounds 650s= $600 not 400 you will spend more than 400 on the amps as well 300 labor to install with all the wire is low your est of 2100 is a way low granted they are making some money at 4400 put they need to make some $$ they got bills to pay as well. i think the boat he is looking at is a hell of deal and if the tige is the one he likes that deal is one to be had and i would jump on it.

[DieselPWR]

The point of the 4400 was to show what he SHOULD be paying for them. He wouldn't be paying 4400 for that option in the total $44,500.

5 Hours? I'm pretty sure you are going to hit 5 hours your first day in that boat.

[2thdoc01]

2thdoc01, back on page 3, where did the pricing come from. That looks very high IMO. Before you get carried away with how great the V Rides interior is, lift up the cushions and check out how the seat bases are built. Then ask yourself what is going to be more durable. A screwed together (not bolted) carpeted box or a seat base that is a structural part of the boat? I wonder what else that you can't see might be inferior to a Tige?

that is the Sheet from Shipyard, which details all the options and MSRP. Its lists a few things on it that are standard equipment, like the fiberglass deck, and a few things on it I dont understand, like the shipping cover, adjustable seat base, two color split panal, and billet mirror, which seem like odd add ins.

I think even if these prices ( like 4440 for the tower of sound and 4030 for e series tower) are really inflated, im still looking at paying the base price for a boat that is loaded with at least a cost of 10k worth of options..right?

So if she is nice, and these Gents are as good as i expect, I may have more posts here in the future! Although the 5 hours of run time with hot models scares me a bit, but Im sure it was broken in right, and probably not run any harder than what everyone else does....

[mcd]

The adjustable seat is a vertical adjustment, billet mirror is the bracket for the mirror for the tower, and split panel is 2 tone gel. Either deck or hull. Is this the boat from the brochure?