Need some help with selling our boat....

[ragboy]

that's what I'm talking about Razz,

see I learned to drive a ski boat in a 2050 closed bow. That thing is ULTRA low and i'm like you, never took over water. But then again, the owner is a perfectionist, and I was scared to death to pull him as I didn't want to mess him up, I saw how frustrated he would get with his wife. Now I always pull him when I'm around, and she says it makes for a MUCH better weekend

My MO, is to pull to idle when down, wait a second and turn around. However, we board into the wee hours of the night, and sometimes when it is a bit busy. I don't care who you are, when you have one of your kids back there, and you see a boat coming, you want to get your boat quickly in to shield. So many times I come around much faster. When I do this, I just raise the bow over the wake. But if I didn't, it would def take water in, and not just when SLOWING as you hit the wake, of course that would make it worse. I am talking just idleing through it.

[ragboy]

ha, see that's the problem, i just figured it out!!

When you stop, how do you stop to pick up a downed wakeboarder, skier or surfer?

If you do it just like you said you will have huge rollars. Everytime I stop after a downed skier, I stop, let the wake pass me and then turn and idle to the boarder.

If there are big waves still in the lake (not sure you would be wakeboarding then if you are) you can idle a bit faster, with your taps at 7 and your nose will be a mile out of the water

I am talking about our wake only. Its not busy on our lake, most of the time.

[Domsz06]

ok, no your so right, there are times you have to get back in a hurry, not arguing that one.

Ok, well I guess I still don't get it. Unless when it's dead out and you can wait to turn around if your turning too fast, before the wake passes you you will get the nose everytime.

[five o'clock]

I have a 2004 21i I've never been able to get rollers over the bow. I've tried because my wife did and I was puzzled. I couldn't figure out how she did it. I've asked her to repeat it and she can't either.

Don't get me wrong I can get passengers wet if i want to but I've never gotten a roller over the bow. I think my wife was just drivin' like a woman

[ragboy]

I have a 2004 21i I've never been able to get rollers over the bow. I've tried because my wife did and I was puzzled. I couldn't figure out how she did it. I've asked her to repeat it and she can't either.

Don't get me wrong I can get passengers wet if i want to but I've never gotten a roller over the bow. I think my wife was just drivin' like a woman

ok, then the 24Ve is different. My 9 yr old could do it. And we go out mostly on weeknights. It is just our own wake I am talking about.

For the most part, if you are used to an inboard, with a dropped bow, you drive different, and don't notice so much. Some of us, coming from cruisers and runabouts, I think it takes you by surprise. And I think, the 24Ve, may have a different hull, where it does make it more prominent. I will take a video, and show you.

Now, here is the thing, though. My 220, and my 190, at wakeboarding speeds was very dangerous. You couldn't see over the bow. Also, if you didn't want a completely washed out wake, you had to trim up, and it brought the bow higher. And you can't stand up, cuz at 22 mph, the boat won't stay the same speed, so you have to sit to constantly adjust throttle. I almost ran over a couple of small fishing boats last season.

With the 24 Ve, I can sit, and see over the bow, without even using the bolster seat. Granted I am 6'2". But I can see everything. My 11 yr old son has to use the bolster seat when he helps me pull for surfing. Then you add the SpeedSet, and I will say the 24Ve is hands down safer than my runabouts doing these kinds of activities.

For me, there is a tradeoff, but the very little I have to do to avoid bow water, is a very minor thing for all the benefits. But I would think twice if I was on a busy lake that got white capped all the time due to traffic or wind. I dealt with that for years, and I am done with that.

[chpthril]

I took a huge roller over the bow and left a 4" pool in the boat I wasn't paying attention and turned into my own wake with out thinking other than than that, I can avoid them with a little creative driving

[ragboy]

Maybe the Ve's hull, it is more prominent to take in water over bow.

[da.bell]

It's a new feature that Tige has created.

Water over the bow = more ballast.

Actually, there have been a very few times that I have taken water over the bow at Folsom Lake. I am very careful and watch for the rollers now.

[Domsz06]

ragboy, i'm willing to bet after a year of driving you will never take rollers over and you won't even notice yourself driving to avoid them.

I have not had anything different besides an inboard. Had an outboard for one summer, then went to the Tigé

[da.bell]

ragboy, i'm willing to bet after a year of driving you will never take rollers over and you won't even notice yourself driving to avoid them.

I have not had anything different besides an inboard. Had an outboard for one summer, then went to the Tigé

I agree but would also say that there might be some fine print on that. When swells are large, it is hard not to take them over the bow...

[dogbert]

If a 24Ve can't handle your lake, what are you thinking about getting!?!?!?

A tug boat

[Seanmcd]

WOW!!!

I can't tell you how surprised I am to see your post!! I was planning on coming down to the big lake Saturday or Sunday for the annual Bike Week cruise and looking for you..

I am tempted to try to disuade you from bailing on your boat so soon. I have spent plenty of time on Winn, and I know exactly how those busy weekends can be. But honestly, I think that you are going to get hosed by selling it so soon.

There are so many places to go where you can get away from those 'cruisers' and enjoy the lake. There are tons of coves, bays, little corners of the lake to go.... But I sense that is not what you are looking for right now....

So...My advice is to either have Peter sell your boat for you, and suck up the loss....

Or buy a trailer for it and spend some time marketing it on the usual websites...Ebay, Craigslist, Boattrader, etc. I can tell you that I have had great success with Ebay, but also tons of aggravation!!! YMMV

Selling that boat without a trailer is going to be tough.. At least if Peter sells it for you, he can market it to some of his customers around the lake. But it will cost you, no doubt! Peter used to ask for 20% to sell a consignment boat, so 10% is not that bad. You could try to talk to him and see if he can get you a certain amount, say you need 57k, and he can market it however he wants to get you your 57K. I think that is kinda high with no trailer though.

Every boat, car, truck, etc loses up to 25% of its value when you drive it off the lot. When you are spending 60k for a boat, most people would rather buy brand new instead of saving a few thousand. That makes it really tough.

But you already know all of this.

I can't help but think that you may be jumping the gun... I have spend tons of time on that Lake, with my 22i, my old pre2002, and even my 17ft Starcraft. Sometimes you take some water over the bow...Thats why there is a bilge pump, right? Thats really part of boating.

I really believe that if you spend some time out there, you will find that you never even notice the rollers, it just takes time.

As far as anchoring.....there are a million places to go and hide, coves, the back side of islands, bays, etc.

Good Luck, I am very sorry about your decision. I hope you give it some time though, you may save yourself thousands of dollars by just giving it some time.

Sean

[Domsz06]

as far as anchoring if you anchor right, ie 4 run to 1 deep you shouldn't ever have a rollar over your bow. Just my :.02:

I know that people ask me how I don't have rollars over my bow when anchored, and I ask how much line they have out, they say 10 feet, I say, "Here's your sign"

[Seanmcd]

I know I am beating a dead horse, but I can't help it...

Here is my 98 pre2002....

The first time we went on Winnipesaukee with my girls, it was like a death cruise!!! The rollers were huge, and we took on some water no doubt...But I got my girls ( I think they were 6 and 8 at the time) to suck it up, and now the LOVE the big waves!!

They always tell me, "Hit 'em fast Dad!" Several times we launched that thing out of the water to where I had to throttle back to keep from spinning the motor!! (Sorry William Sims, the guy who bought my boat)

Never had a problem, the bilge pump worked, no worries. I am sure with that 24Ve, you will get used to it before Labor Day!

I hate to see you lose on that awesome boat, please think about it.

[Domsz06]

nice boat!