TAPS- What it does and doesnt do...

[wannabewakeboarder]

The air under the hull has a bit to do with it, but its mostly a balance issue.

Remember that the Convex V hulls want to pull down into the water at the Stern. The so called "hook". So this "pull" makes the nose bounce a bit at the slightest uneveness in the water surface. Taps takes care of this when it is down because it counteracts the "pull" of the hull at the stern.

Adding additional people weight to the front of the boat will help too, but if the water surface gets really rough, it's still going to happen.


BTW wannabewakeboarder, welcome to the site!

tequ:

1st what dose BTW mean?

2nd i have an i/o just a little ski boat...never the less im a diehard tige owner not really but got friends with tiges and id do anything to get my hands on one

3rd scince i have an i/o i was gonna suggest for zad0030 just trim your motor up or down lol stupid me that dosent apply here so basically he just needs to put a person OR ballast bag in the bow area

[Tequilasun]

BTW = By the Way. I noticed you joined awhile ago, but just decided to post a bit today.

Taps acts much like triming your I/O...same concept! So you are spot on.

Zad doesn't have to add weight to the bow, he simply needs to Trim (TAPS)

But adding weight to the bow will help as well.

I see your in MO, if you make it down my way, let me know, I'll give you and your parents a pull in my boat. Zad, same goes for you, make it down my way, let me know, we'll meet up.

[wannabewakeboarder]

tequ:

thanks man we might take you up on that offer im begging my dad to do some kinda opening weekend down there...i saw your boat on wakesiderides(draginass right) man its nice i run my friend brians site http://www.wakesiderides.com/rides/i...ge=out&id=2051

but if zad adjusts the taps down the small wake less bounce taps up more bounce so how could he still get a big wake with not as much bounce

oh you could use a couple better pics like of the whole boat

[wannabewakeboarder]

tequ:

do you have a myspace? if so whats your url (website adderess)?

[Tequilasun]

Thanks for the boat comments, we do enjoy our boat.
I do need to get some better picks of my baby though I took all of those pics the day we got her! I was a bit excited and didn't take time to get pics of everthing

Nope, no myspace.

[wannabewakeboarder]

ok let me know when you do

[evil0ne]

You probably will get porpoising running WOT and TAPS all the way up. At wakeboarding speeds I have yet to notice any porpoising no matter what TAPS is set at.

[chpthril]

You probably will get porpoising running WOT and TAPS all the way up. At wakeboarding speeds I have yet to notice any porpoising no matter what TAPS is set at.

That's about what I experience. For just cruising, I'll run TAPS @ 2 or 3 to lift the bow. This reduces drag and helps the GPH. It will porpoise w/TAPS any higher than that or if the water is choppy.

[evil0ne]

That's about what I experience. For just cruising, I'll run TAPS @ 2 or 3 to lift the bow. This reduces drag and helps the GPH. It will porpoise w/TAPS any higher than that or if the water is choppy.

On a completely butter day I did some WOT with a GPS to see the max speed and it did change by 1.5mph between TAPS 1 and 7. Must have gone for about 15 seconds before the porpoising started.

[talltigeguy]

The convex hull is just that - Convex. That means that the boat has a curved bottom, curves up at both ends. I bet that a direct drive would be more likely to porpoise because the weight is mostly right in the middle. This allows the front and back to bounce up and down easier than a V-drive that has most of the weight in the back. I bet if you put just 1-2 people in the back, you would never get porpoising at wakeboard speeds, even in a direct drive.

As for Tige's marketing, it's really a semantics thing. I have guys do raleys, scarecrows and 540's behind my boat with no ballast and they like the wake. I honestly beleive that the Tige wake is as good as a comparable towboat with stock ballast. The hull shape and the fact the boat itself is heavier make the difference. The wake gets even better with ballast. The wake is clean no matter how rampy I make it. I have grown to love a more rampy wake, and it is not big enough unless I put ballast in. It only needs 400 up front, but I do use ballast. Just rambling...

[wannabewakeboarder]

The convex hull is just that - Convex. That means that the boat has a curved bottom, curves up at both ends. I bet that a direct drive would be more likely to porpoise because the weight is mostly right in the middle. This allows the front and back to bounce up and down easier than a V-drive that has most of the weight in the back. I bet if you put just 1-2 people in the back, you would never get porpoising at wakeboard speeds, even in a direct drive.

As for Tige's marketing, it's really a semantics thing. I have guys do raleys, scarecrows and 540's behind my boat with no ballast and they like the wake. I honestly beleive that the Tige wake is as good as a comparable towboat with stock ballast. The hull shape and the fact the boat itself is heavier make the difference. The wake gets even better with ballast. The wake is clean no matter how rampy I make it. I have grown to love a more rampy wake, and it is not big enough unless I put ballast in. It only needs 400 up front, but I do use ballast. Just rambling...

while we ride with like the driver of course and somone in the observer seat then 2 on the bench seat n back, get a massive wake and no porpoiseing on a 2000 21i

[Original Wing Nut]

ok here's my .02 When I first bought my tige I took it to the lake with my Malibu buddy (05 xlv wakesetter) same year and close to same dimension as my 05 24 v. We went side by side and looked at wakes at length on our boards. Stock vs stock no ballast tige' wins with taps at any possition, but then again my Tige' out weighs his boat by 850 lbs. When he fills ballast tanks his wake is slightly bigger maybe 2". He has about 1250 lbs. of ballast, then he gains about 400 lbs. on me when we try to get his ballast filled to where he is about the same weight the wake is same height. Now for taps it definately helps shape the wake there are speeds that his wake is just crap without taps. This was all with no wedge. When he throws down the wedge his wake grows about 2" but is way steeper. I think taps and convex v hull are awesome, but am looking at adding ballast as more lbs.=more displacement=more height. As another note my Malibu buddies sons father in-law is an 05 X-30 owner, so he has quite a bit of time behind the Malibu and Mastercraft. The son states that the wakes on all three boats without the wedge are basically the same height just slightly differently shaped, which is where he likes the taps he can get it like he wants it. I love my Tige and they are just as passionate about their brands, it makes for a great week a Powell every year. If you want to know how much difference ballast makes just go with 4 in then go with 12 or as many adults as you can and watch the wake grow (this always reminds of Alvie).

[wannabewakeboarder]

ok here's my .02 When I first bought my tige I took it to the lake with my Malibu buddy (05 xlv wakesetter) same year and close to same dimension as my 05 24 v. We went side by side and looked at wakes at length on our boards. Stock vs stock no ballast tige' wins with taps at any possition, but then again my Tige' out weighs his boat by 850 lbs. When he fills ballast tanks his wake is slightly bigger maybe 2". He has about 1250 lbs. of ballast, then he gains about 400 lbs. on me when we try to get his ballast filled to where he is about the same weight the wake is same height. Now for taps it definately helps shape the wake there are speeds that his wake is just crap without taps. This was all with no wedge. When he throws down the wedge his wake grows about 2" but is way steeper. I think taps and convex v hull are awesome, but am looking at adding ballast as more lbs.=more displacement=more height. As another note my Malibu buddies sons father in-law is an 05 X-30 owner, so he has quite a bit of time behind the Malibu and Mastercraft. The son states that the wakes on all three boats without the wedge are basically the same height just slightly differently shaped, which is where he likes the taps he can get it like he wants it. I love my Tige and they are just as passionate about their brands, it makes for a great week a Powell every year. If you want to know how much difference ballast makes just go with 4 in then go with 12 or as many adults as you can and watch the wake grow (this always reminds of Alvie).

so is the malibu bigger with wedge and ballast than the tige? if so by how much?

[Original Wing Nut]

so is the malibu bigger with wedge and ballast than the tige? if so by how much?[/QUOTE]

Yes it is probably 3-4 inches bigger with ballast full and wedge down.

[TigeDuner]

I would have thought that there would have been more discussion regarding the boat speed with the TAPS settings. Our wake flattens out at high speed and is largest going slow for surfing. Shifting riders to one corner of the boat and out on the teak really make it grow. When boarding, just moving one person to the opposite side of the boat will can sharpen up the wake. I could only imagine what another 1,000 lbs. would do in our 24V...