TAPS 21 v2.0

[Zackdogg]

I do have torsions, which I’ve bent on my encloses trailer a couple of times.. maybe I’m a little rough on stuff?? And yeah, it wore the inside of my tires at probably double the rate..

I really wish I had thought more about the trailer, on this boat. I effing hate my trailer, so damn hard!!

I’ll just throw anything over 800# of my lead, into my truck, for trailering purposes, if the damn trailer can’t take an extra 200# per wheel, then I don’t have much use for it anyways!!

I guess the whole “you learn what to get on your second boat, from your first boat” is a really true statement!!

Anyone wanna trade a triple axle RZX trailer for a double axle?????


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[Zackdogg]

Well I didn't say I've given up. You've said your wave gets better and better each trip out. I hope that proves true with me. The thing I don't really understand is that if I understand the theory right, once the boat is at the proper angles the wave should be on point. Then depending on how far it's sunk in the water determines the mass of the wave. But shouldn't the shape be similar? I haven't seen any RZX boat with as much curl as mine has. TAPS3 or GSA. How far do you think I need to lean the boat over? Were you able to check your angles yet? I find it absolutely amazing how similar the wave is in the two pictures I posted. So the only variables left are the great hull and the less than great operator.



I wouldn't mind putting a couple hundred pounds of lead in there, but a couple thousand will destroy the trailer. Well, that pothole, or curb check will in my 120 mile round trip lake run. I had a pretty extensive conversation with Boatmate about this issue. After that I know boatmate will not warranty anything if there's lead in my boat while trailering. If I was low speed trailering a few miles to the ramp then I'd for sure have 1000 in lead in my boat right now. At the same time, should we have to, to get the advertised wave? I'd hope not.

I’m anywhere from 90-240 miles of trailering through the sierras for our lakes, so maybe I should reconsider... it isn’t the end of the world to unload all of the lead into my truck, at the end of the day, the single bonus to having a boat full of 200-300# guys.. although I could probably buy a new trailer every season with the amount of white claws they mooch, and extra gas their mass eats up!!

I will say, having 400-500#, surf side, in the surf locker, credit to Cole, makes a big difference in getting that lean, and sinking the ***.. and it’s cake to change over, in there..

I do agree, I feel like the price tag on these boats should come with an out of the box, killer wave, but unfortunately that isn’t the case. The wave is insane compared to our original waves on a 19’ 1998 Sanger with as many bodies as we could stick on the deck and back corner of the boat, but it’s also marginally better after adding and tweaking weight, props, etc.. the real answer might just be that I’m not really satisfied too easily, and I push the limits with most things, but knowing that there is more wave possible will always keep me trying to achieve it!


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[freeheel4life]

I do have torsions, which I’ve bent on my encloses trailer a couple of times.. maybe I’m a little rough on stuff?? And yeah, it wore the inside of my tires at probably double the rate..

I really wish I had thought more about the trailer, on this boat. I effing hate my trailer, so damn hard!!

I’ll just throw anything over 800# of my lead, into my truck, for trailering purposes, if the damn trailer can’t take an extra 200# per wheel, then I don’t have much use for it anyways!!

I guess the whole “you learn what to get on your second boat, from your first boat” is a really true statement!!

Anyone wanna trade a triple axle RZX trailer for a double axle?????


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I think the best answer would be to measure the hangar widths and find 6 or even better 8 lug axles. Not a cheap answer as youd need new wheels but its solves the GAWR problem. Then its just time to put the trailer steel to the test

[Zackdogg]

I think the best answer would be to measure the hangar widths and find 6 or even better 8 lug axles. Not a cheap answer as youd need new wheels but its solves the GAWR problem. Then its just time to put the trailer steel to the test

I actually like that solution, a lot. I could probably get a few bucks for the hodgepodge of wheels I do have, my wheel guy isn’t insanely priced, and I could just run the 16” E-rated tires I have now.. the torsion axles I’ve had to put on my enclosed trailer were actually surprisingly affordable, and this trailer should be pretty bulletproof, at that point. The tubing they use on the trailer, itself is pretty stout.. I think the axles are probably the weak point, following the tires..


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[Germaine Marine]

Maybe your copies arent such great copies?

A small thing you may not have thought to make a difference when you were jigging it up could actually be a huge difference. Its why Ryan has a patent, has big time engineers behind his product. Your plates didnt look the same when you showed pictured yet you are expecting the same results. I think this was also your problem the first go around. Maybe thats the root problem in all of this? Just an idea. Everyone we have switched over has seen a massive difference without making any other changes. So, and I dont mean to sound like a prick but maybe your plate is the problem...

[UNSTUCK]

Maybe. If the way I mounted the actuator plays into it. Everything else is very similar. One thing we can all agree on is time spent learning. You could take any TAPS3 boat and make a killer wave. Many, many people have taken their TAPS3 boats and only gotten white wash at first. Our first trip out with v2.0 gave us a wave similar to our best TAPS3 wave. I'm convinced with time we will dial in a great wave. We haven't been back on the water since our first trip due to weather. I'm hopeful we can get a good wave. My biggest problem is that I don't have the patients to really play with it. And those on the boat don't really want to ride up and down the lake messing with the wave when they could be out there playing with it.

[UNSTUCK]

After a LONG wait for weather to clear up and other obligations we were finally able to get back on the water on Saturday. I had a few more bodies in the boat, but I don't think giggly teenage girls count. So once again we didn't spend a lot of time working on the wave. While all the kids were swimming around I did manage to fill two extra ballast bags for some testing. I put a bag in the surf locker. Pretty much filled the locker full. So I'm guessing 5-800 pounds back there. I then put a bag with what I estimated at 300 pounds as far forward in the bow as I could get it.

I discovered one more way not to make a surf wave. I'm starting to appreciate Thomas Edison more and more.

I should have read this thread again before heading out. Cole mentioned that he finds the PNP bags to be enough in the rear. Had I remembered that I would have just added the bow bag to test.

The slower I went, down to 10.8, the cleaner the face got. Above 11.4 there was very little push. I listed the boat from 2 to 8* and raised the bow from 5 to above 10*. The best wave we got was really weird. It had a curl right in the middle of it. You can see it in this picture.

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My game plan for next time out is two fold for testing. It's been said in this thread that the GSA tab runs best at 9-12*. I will set my tab in the middle(ish) which is at TAPS3 #4. That is 10* of tab angle off the hull and forget about it. I would like to be able to do the same with the TAPs tab, but I don't know what that number should be. I might have to make that my one variable, but that alone my kill my idea. I'm thinking I want to set my tabs and forget about them and then adjust my water weight to get the list and rise that I want.
My theory is that I have the boat in the right position (3-5 * of list and 8* rise) but the tab is being used too much/too little to force that position. It's an interesting/confusing/frustrating idea. Each time you mess with either a taps 3 setting, a taps setting, or ballast setting, it throws off what you had already done with the other two settings. The OG way of making a wave just involved listing the boat over. All that was needed was messing with the water weight. Some boats had a center tab that would then come into play. Now we have all three to play with. Deploying more center tab will cause the boat to pitch down to get a needed hull angle, but that deployment angle will also change the way the water runs off the hull, changing the wave again.

I also wonder about the idea of setting stuff up with no ballast at all. Can I get a clean long face without any extra weight? I know it will be small, but would it clean up? If I could get to that point maybe then I could start adding water and making adjustments to keep it clean all the way up until I have full ballast.

One thing is for sure. There were plenty of beautiful surf boats on the water that day. Plenty of surfers and plenty of tight ropes that those surfers were holding on to. We were tossing the rope and still getting some nice bottom carves in. I love surfing and love hanging out with my family.

[JohnnieMo]

When I was goofing around with my wave and gates etc I did a test with my Gopro where I started with zero ballast and the started the boat moving. I ran the pumps till the wave was ideal. It was a neat test worth doing. I've come a long ways since but it's a point of reference.

https://youtu.be/fFun1ks1_kQ

I also did a similar test with speed as a variable.

Keep tinkering. I like that you are always trying to improve.

[UNSTUCK]

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[UNSTUCK]

So I hinted at this in my last post and was planning on putting some video up on Monday then I got sick Sunday night. Got my appendix taken out Monday night and am now back home relaxing. Can’t seem to get my GoPro video to work on my home computer. So let me just say that last Saturday was a fantastic day! We had great weather and great water. We filled the boat full of people and that seemed to make all the difference. In short it was the best wave I have ever ridden. I haven’t been on a ton of boats but this was the best out of all of them. It was still a little short and a bit messy on the top but it was rock solid and had tons of push. It used to be that when I would attempt a 360 I would have to spin as fast as I could to get around fast enough not to get out of the strong part of the pocket. Spinning fast like that now was Messing me up and I couldn’t land them. A friend suggested slowing down. From past experience I was hesitant to try but gave it a shot. I was blown away at how slow I could turn and still come right around and recover further back in the wave. In one set I did 3 360’s right in a row. I got all the way around on the forth one but lost my balance and rode on one foot with the other high in the air for what seemed like forever before falling. I was told it was a good show. For the first time in a long time I was really having fun on the surfboard and was not ready to leave when it was time.

So here’s a question for you guys: is it just me or do waves look a lot longer when looking at pictures or videos than they do in real life? While surfing on the wave it always looks short to me, but then I look at video of me on the wave it looks much longer.

Obviously lead is the answer to my ballast issues. It’s been said all along. I know, I’m stubborn. Having the boat full of people was just as good, but why didn’t my two extra ballast bags work from the week before? I probably still had more weight in water two weeks ago than I did with people last Saturday. One bag in the bow and one bag in the surf locker. It’s just weird to me.

Anyways I should be back to work tomorrow or Friday. I’ll get some video up then. In the mean time I think these new tabs have brought this boat to a new and slightly better level. I am supper happy we went this route and look forward to more surfing.

The bad: doc says no swimming for 4 weeks. I cant promise that rule will be followed.

[Zackdogg]

That’s awesome to hear, except the appendix part, that sucks pretty hard!!

I guess a set of GSA plates are in my future. Seems like everyone that has them, or a knock off, is having some serious success. I’ll be doing that this winter..

As far as the wave in pics, I feel the same.. when I’m in the wave it doesn’t feel like there is nearly as much there, as when I’m looking at other people.. I’m also just realizing that there is a lot more wave available, than I’ve been utilizing.. I was probably backed twice as far out of my wave, as I thought I had previously, and came back. Not sure if I have the wave a little more dialed, or if I was just thinking I had lost it and given up on recovery, if the past. I’m running probably 800lbs, on average in my bow, between lead and people ballast, and it’s made a world of difference with my wave and hitting plane..

4 weeks???!!!!?? Middle of summer!???!! Pffftttt!!!!!!


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[Zackdogg]

Ps. I love lead.

My girl is so pissed that I keep ordering it.. it’s so damn effective though.. I don’t even know how much I have anymore, I was trying to remember the other day.. I’ll think I have them all pulled out, then find 200# somewhere under a seat, that I forgot I threw in one weekend.


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[NICKYPOO]

Bummer on the appendix. Glad you got it taken care of. When I had mine out, I literally disintegrated in the surgeon’s hands when he pulled it out. They said I was maybe 30min from it rupturing.

I look forward to seeing your results.

[freeheel4life]

Dang Josh, bummer about the appendix but glad to hear you are back up and running. Sounds like you just need to fill the boat with people more often Or buy lead lol. Resistance is futile!!

[freeheel4life]

Ps. I love lead.

My girl is so pissed that I keep ordering it.

Is she the one that gets the mail??