TAPS 21 v2.0

[Germaine Marine]

Jason, can you tell me if the list and attitude of the boat should still be what it was with TAPS3? I assume that would be the case. Still a list of 4-5 degrees and bow high at 10 degrees. Or should I shoot for different numbers now?
Thanks.

Bow rise of around 9 degrees

List should be 3-5


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[UNSTUCK]

Thanks.

[Zackdogg]

Gotcha. I remember seeing some minimal stuff about this, and could have been you or Jason, just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss some kind of full writeup. I hope it works out for you, looks like you did a killer job on them.

We’ll be out for the first time tomorrow, if the season, and I’m stoked it’s here. Winter was way too damn long, and dreary this year, although we’ll have plenty of water.

I’m going to run a bunch more bow weight, I need to get a couple hundred more pounds of lead, but I’ll be to 1500, and I’m hoping 400#ish is the magic number to help me plane better.


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[UNSTUCK]

1500 in lead is A LOT! I'm being told I'll need more bow weight as the GSA tabs don't lift the rear end up as much. I'll bring a few bags and throw over pump with us and do some testing. I'm still trying to avoid running lead, but I may be out of options. Man, I'm getting excited for the season!

[NICKYPOO]

Zack, Lahontan looks killer right now. I’m still waiting for my back seat.

[Zackdogg]

1500 in lead is A LOT! I'm being told I'll need more bow weight as the GSA tabs don't lift the rear end up as much. I'll bring a few bags and throw over pump with us and do some testing. I'm still trying to avoid running lead, but I may be out of options. Man, I'm getting excited for the season!

I don’t have any PnP, so I don’t think it’s insane, but maybe slightly excessive.. I started playing with bow weight at the end of last year, and it definitely helped me plane, not sure what is going to be too much, but I’m going to try and push it as far as I can. When I started out I thought more in the *** was better, but that isn’t true, especially if you can’t hit 10mph. I can always dump water, and I can place lead in the very front of the bow, and I run my *** weight in the surf locker on rider side, which makes it cake to swap. That weight is also more effective than the water when it’s all the way forward, or all the way back, where the ballast isn’t.. so my thought now is run the lead and adding the right amount of water is easier than trying to add weight on top of ballast. I’m definitely improving on setup, for now, at least!!


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[Zackdogg]

Zack, Lahontan looks killer right now. I’m still waiting for my back seat.

That’s the word on the street! I have some friends camping on 11 this weekend, and they’re supposed to come back with a full report, for me. I would be out there, if I hadn’t planned this Bullards trip like 2 months ago. I will be on water for the first trip this weekend, though.

You gonna be out there memorial?? I’ll probably be out there for a day, at bare minimum.

What’s up with your back seat?


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[Zackdogg]

Zack, Lahontan looks killer right now. I’m still waiting for my back seat.

I have some beach chairs you can throw in there, for time being!


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[UNSTUCK]

Zack, I have (2) 350 pound PNP bags and at least some of the hoses I’m not using. You need them! Take some of that lead off. Your trailer will thank you.

[bsreid]

Somehow I missed this post a while back.

Josh(Unstuck) everything is looking great man, I wish I had the skills to do something like this myself. I hope you had a chance to test things out this weekend, I really am looking forward to hearing how it all turned out.
Talking about the wave I am impressed with the system as a whole, I am able to get a much more competition level wave without a ton of monkeying around. Comparing the wave to taps 3 it has a much longer face to it, reaching out further before folding over. I only made it out for a quick surf before work Friday and didn't have much of a chance to take any pictures and the one I got was complete wash. I do have one picture from close to a month ago when we first went out and I can tell you things have gotten much better since. Somehow I haven't taken any since.
Jason is probably spot on with the angles, last season before I updated my screen they never worked so I totally forgot to check them. I will say with GSA I have moved about 200 in lead forward as the rear pnp is plenty.
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Zack, 1500lbs of lead that is going to be heavy. I would have some big concerns towing with that, I've got 900 and that's about as much as I would do. In the boat it should be equivalent to pnp weight as you can factor that to be 1000 total.

[UNSTUCK]

Well, we got out on the water on Saturday for our shakedown run. It was an interesting one to say the least. I'll start off by saying I was hoping for a better experience. Not just in the wave, but overall. I guess you could say we had some first run of the season blues. We got the boat in the water and all was good. We filled up the ballast and started playing around with the wave. Nothing but white wash. Playing with tab position didn't matter it was bad. As we got into it more and more I started noticing the engine struggling. Then I noticed our engine temp at 178. Never seen it that high. When it hit 180 I shut it off. That's when I noticed the bilge pump running, which it never does. I opened up the engine cover and rear compartments thinking a ballast bag hose came off. There was a ton of water back there but the bags were full. Then I heard water running. I pulled out the trash can and saw the problem. Water was shooting out of the hose bib on the inlet strainer. I could have sworn I reinstalled the cap after running the engine at my house, but I guess not. So we got the cap back on and got all the extra water drained out. It was smooth (er) sailing after that. The next hour or so was spent just running up and down the lake playing will all the different setting to make the wave. With all that water out things were much better. We installed new Wakemaker 550 bags for this season. Our old bags were 350's. I'm not sure if that helped or not. We were still able to keep the boat 9 degrees bow high and we played with roll from flat to about 6 degrees. We even went well under and over 9 degrees bow high. Our speed was anywhere from 10.8 to a little over 12. Water depth was pretty consistent at 20-21 feet deep.
I brought a ballast bag with us, but never ended up using it. I was expecting the bow to be high and needing extra help getting it down. That proved not to be the case. All we had on board was the stock ballast and PNP, so 4100 pounds and about 700 in people weight that we moved around the boat as well to see if it made much difference. While I was surfing I paid close attention to the surf tab on the starboard side. It was all the way out of the water all of the time. So that was good.
Our wave has always seemed to have a long curl on it. It looks pretty cool, but really shortens the usable face of the wave. I was really hoping that area would now be clean surfable wave. We're not there yet. I'm actually surprised at how little the wave changed between the two surf systems. I can only hope it will improve with more time on the water.
Then as we left, driving away my stomach started hurting real bad. To make matters worse I promised our kids we would stop at Lagoon, our local amusement park, on the way home. I did a few up side down roller coasters with them. I was in bed stick all day Sunday and Monday. I'm still 100%.

Great first day!


This picture shows what our typical wave looked like with TAPS3 in place running full ballast and 700 in PNP bags. This picture was taken at last years Reunion in September. As I recall the settings were 4 and 4.
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This picture show our new wave with my homemade tabs (GSA copies) in place running full ballast and 1100 in PNP bags. This picture was taken on Saturday. I'm pretty sure the settings were 7 and 4.
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[bsreid]

That is unfortunate you did not achieve the results you were looking for. Unless it is totally the tabs being out of wack or something like that I would say try adding more weight to the surf side. Wether that be by moving lead to one side, ballast, or people.

[Zackdogg]

Zack, I have (2) 350 pound PNP bags and at least some of the hoses I’m not using. You need them! Take some of that lead off. Your trailer will thank you.

I throw half of it in my truck and spread the rest out real even in the boat, for trailering. I actually thought about buying those from you, when you said you were dumping them, but my lady won’t let me eat up the back storage, so the lead is kinda the compromise. I get weight, she gets storage. The other side holds the beers and bitch pops, If these boats didn’t have so much capacity, I wouldn’t have to carry 17 life vests and a throw pillow, damn California, which eats one whole side..

Cole, I throw some of the lead in my truck, and leave some spread evenly around the trailer. My biggest concern on those trailers was always the stock tires, which I have improved on. It tows fine, but if it starts eating bearings or something in the suspension breaks, I guess I’ll be proven wrong.. I can’t imagine that those trailers are that close, to where a couple of thousand pounds, spread evenly is going to make or break them, but I’ve also been wrong before!!!


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[freeheel4life]

Zackdogg, If youi have torsions and not walking beams Ive seen where the torsions bend from overloading. You will know if thats happening when your new tires start wearing on just one side(inside if I recall correctly)

[UNSTUCK]

That is unfortunate you did not achieve the results you were looking for. Unless it is totally the tabs being out of wack or something like that I would say try adding more weight to the surf side. Wether that be by moving lead to one side, ballast, or people.

Well I didn't say I've given up. You've said your wave gets better and better each trip out. I hope that proves true with me. The thing I don't really understand is that if I understand the theory right, once the boat is at the proper angles the wave should be on point. Then depending on how far it's sunk in the water determines the mass of the wave. But shouldn't the shape be similar? I haven't seen any RZX boat with as much curl as mine has. TAPS3 or GSA. How far do you think I need to lean the boat over? Were you able to check your angles yet? I find it absolutely amazing how similar the wave is in the two pictures I posted. So the only variables left are the great hull and the less than great operator.

I throw half of it in my truck and spread the rest out real even in the boat, for trailering. I actually thought about buying those from you, when you said you were dumping them, but my lady won’t let me eat up the back storage, so the lead is kinda the compromise. I get weight, she gets storage. The other side holds the beers and bitch pops, If these boats didn’t have so much capacity, I wouldn’t have to carry 17 life vests and a throw pillow, damn California, which eats one whole side..

Cole, I throw some of the lead in my truck, and leave some spread evenly around the trailer. My biggest concern on those trailers was always the stock tires, which I have improved on. It tows fine, but if it starts eating bearings or something in the suspension breaks, I guess I’ll be proven wrong.. I can’t imagine that those trailers are that close, to where a couple of thousand pounds, spread evenly is going to make or break them, but I’ve also been wrong before!!!

I wouldn't mind putting a couple hundred pounds of lead in there, but a couple thousand will destroy the trailer. Well, that pothole, or curb check will in my 120 mile round trip lake run. I had a pretty extensive conversation with Boatmate about this issue. After that I know boatmate will not warranty anything if there's lead in my boat while trailering. If I was low speed trailering a few miles to the ramp then I'd for sure have 1000 in lead in my boat right now. At the same time, should we have to, to get the advertised wave? I'd hope not.