Another Good Day on the Lake

[outkastmunkey]

Great day! I wish my family was more into it wife/12 year old daughter 9 year old son. I have to round up buddies to get out most the time.


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[bsreid]

Outkast, that just means more riding time for you!

[Jetdriver]

I didnt realize the lake you are in is so shallow. I'm wondering if that is also having an effect on your wave. I have head many times that shallow water will affect wave but I dont really know what the threshold/depth limit is.

Anything less than 12-15’ in my experience. You can literally watch the wave height diminish by close to half and it loses a ton of push. We’ve got a couple shallow spots in my home lake that we avoid because this reason.

[Jetdriver]

Unstuck- broke down boaters will still be there after your last set. Beggars can’t be choosers!

[UNSTUCK]

Anything less than 12-15’ in my experience. You can literally watch the wave height diminish by close to half and it loses a ton of push. We’ve got a couple shallow spots in my home lake that we avoid because this reason.

I think we are right on the edge of this. I bet the lake averages around 15 ft, but while surfing I don't see it lower than that. I think the deepest I've seen it is 22ish. I'm only getting happier and happier with our wave so I don't think the shallows are giving us too much trouble. I'm pretty sure Lake Mead will be our first deep lake with this boat. Can't wait to see if there's a difference.

Unstuck- broke down boaters will still be there after your last set. Beggars can’t be choosers!

Shoot, I didn't even think about that. It was our first time helping another boater.

[dakota4ce]

Anything less than 12-15’ in my experience. You can literally watch the wave height diminish by close to half and it loses a ton of push. We’ve got a couple shallow spots in my home lake that we avoid because this reason.

I used to think below 15 was crap until a Supra SL blew my mind in 11’. I have since become less anal about staying above 15 and 11-12 is still pretty decent.

IMHO the threshold is somewhere around 10-11 for ideal/good.


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[outkastmunkey]

Outkast, that just means more riding time for you!

True true but if they were more into it I would ride every night


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[sandm]

Anything less than 12-15’ in my experience. You can literally watch the wave height diminish by close to half and it loses a ton of push. We’ve got a couple shallow spots in my home lake that we avoid because this reason.

I bought my tige on a deep lake(lucky peak in Idaho) and never worried about the wave. riding the fox river in green bay, there was a channel to stay in to keep the depth over 14ft. once I strayed out and hit 10-11ft, the wave went to crap, almost disappearing. I never noticed a difference between 20ft on the river and 200ft at lucky peak. both felt like the same wave.

[bsreid]

True true but if they were more into it I would ride every night


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Totally understand that. I can ride every night but after a while my passengers get a little tired. Going out with two or three people who are totally into it is the best. Nothing is worse than having a bunch of straight faced people who wanna go home.

[Germaine Marine]

You can tell such a drastic difference with what you had to now.

As far as what you were doing to get the boat to the right spots. 2/2 is way too much of either plate. 4/4 with one up or down in either direction is fine. Maybe your inclinometer was off but that boat with stock ballast should be around 10-11 degrees bow high. Leave the surf plate at 4, and adjust roll with ballast. Set the center plate at 4 and you can go to 5 if need be to get the bow higher. Again, adjust with ballast. If the bow is down below 9 degrees then add a smidge to the surf locker in lead, maybe 200 lbs and leave it. Now that you understand how important it is to tune the boat off of running attitude vs overall ballast weight you should really start to make hey rather quickly.,

[Germaine Marine]

This is all based of 560 rear Pnp. You are using 350s. Add 300 to the locker if you can..

[bsreid]

I don’t understand how your bow is going to be below 9 degrees without extra added lead. I second everything Jason just said except for needing minimum 250-300 in the front but maybe having the smaller bags is different. At times I do find it hard to run surf left and keep settings above 4, goofy any day every day 4-5 but regular I don’t know. I guess more weight is needed on that side.

[UNSTUCK]

We did whatever it took to get the bow high to 9* and a list to the surf side of 4-5*. To do that I had everyone sit right behind me (we all surf goofy), and with all the bags full we took a reading off my phone. We were listed just a bit to the goofy side and were almost level front to back. This surprised me. I thought we would start off bow high and would need more weight up there. We set the tabs at 4 and 4 and pretty much left them there. I started dumping water out of the bow and a little off the rear PNP. It listed over pretty easily to the 4-5* we wanted. As we let water out of the bow we got as high as 7* bow high before the boat started leveling off again. I kept emptying and we went all the way back to level?!? So I filled it back up to where we were at around 7* and then started playing with the tabs. I know this seems weird, but I believe our best wave came in at 2 and 2.

As far as what you were doing to get the boat to the right spots. 2/2 is way too much of either plate. 4/4 with one up or down in either direction is fine. Maybe your inclinometer was off but that boat with stock ballast should be around 10-11 degrees bow high. Leave the surf plate at 4, and adjust roll with ballast. Set the center plate at 4 and you can go to 5 if need be to get the bow higher. Again, adjust with ballast. If the bow is down below 9 degrees then add a smidge to the surf locker in lead, maybe 200 lbs and leave it. Now that you understand how important it is to tune the boat off of running attitude vs overall ballast weight you should really start to make hey rather quickly.,

I'm not sure why we needed 2/2. All I can say is that I had my phone (inclinometer) on the dash taking readings the whole time. I didn't even really look at the wave until we started getting close to the angles you told me. I put the tabs at 4/4 until we got close then started messing around with them. All the way up and all the way down was a whitewashed mess. 4/4 down to 2/2 saw only minor changes in the wave, but it seemed like 2/2 was the best. We started playing with speed, but I can't remember where we were at with the tabs from 10.8 to 12. Will the tabs need to be adjusted based on speed or should they still be at 4/4 at different speeds?

Why in the world did Tige remove the inclinometer from the screen?!? If getting the right angles are more important than just slamming the boat with ballast, why did they remove it? Now that it's gone, where should I be taking my angle measurements? I'm assuming any place that show's 0* at rest with no ballast, right?

I don’t understand how your bow is going to be below 9 degrees without extra added lead. I second everything Jason just said except for needing minimum 250-300 in the front but maybe having the smaller bags is different. At times I do find it hard to run surf left and keep settings above 4, goofy any day every day 4-5 but regular I don’t know. I guess more weight is needed on that side.

Not sure what was going on. All I know is that we were close to level with all the ballast full. So we started dumping the front which started bringing the bow up. I think I was close to 50% when the bow started dropping again. Tabs were 4/4 the whole time. I think I was at 35% when we were back to level and I stated filling the bow back up till we got to that 7* mark. Then we started playing with the tabs. At some points we did see 9-11* bow high, but didn't seem consistent. 4-5* of list was pretty easy.

All I know is we had a good time.

Thanks for everyone input and help.

[Zackdogg]

I'm not sure why we needed 2/2. All I can say is that I had my phone (inclinometer) on the dash taking readings the whole time. I didn't even really look at the wave until we started getting close to the angles you told me. I put the tabs at 4/4 until we got close then started messing around with them. All the way up and all the way down was a whitewashed mess. 4/4 down to 2/2 saw only minor changes in the wave, but it seemed like 2/2 was the best. We started playing with speed, but I can't remember where we were at with the tabs from 10.8 to 12. Will the tabs need to be adjusted based on speed or should they still be at 4/4 at different speeds?

Why in the world did Tige remove the inclinometer from the screen?!? If getting the right angles are more important than just slamming the boat with ballast, why did they remove it? Now that it's gone, where should I be taking my angle measurements? I'm assuming any place that show's 0* at rest with no ballast, right?


Not sure what was going on. All I know is that we were close to level with all the ballast full. So we started dumping the front which started bringing the bow up. I think I was close to 50% when the bow started dropping again. Tabs were 4/4 the whole time. I think I was at 35% when we were back to level and I stated filling the bow back up till we got to that 7* mark. Then we started playing with the tabs. At some points we did see 9-11* bow high, but didn't seem consistent. 4-5* of list was pretty easy.

All I know is we had a good time.

Thanks for everyone input and help.

I’m glad you guys are getting in to this. I’ve been messing with wave setup all summer, and plan on using this, tips Bsreid gave me, along with that older write up that Jason did, to see how my wave looks and surfs according to this..

I feel like we’ve seen the exact opposite, as far as rise and lean. I don’t really have a hard time hitting 10°-ish of rise, but I have a hell of a time getting that much lean.. and that’s with 500# of lead to play with.. I’ve been throwing 300# on rider side in the surf locker, and 200# all the way forward in the bow storage... might play with 350/150 this weekend, because it sounds like I’ll be running less rear ballast on my offside..

Either way, thanks for all the help fellas!!


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[UNSTUCK]

I don’t really have a hard time hitting 10°-ish of rise, but I have a hell of a time getting that much lean..

A 2:1 transmission will fix that.