2019 discontinued models?

[BurnMac42]

I agree, BUT if you look at competitors budget boats they are pretty much the same. An NXT22 with just a couple options and the upgrade up from the 5.7 gets you in the same ball park as an R21. Pretty much the same story with a Helix or a Max from Moomba. Even if you try to not option tower speakers, get the fixed racks instead of swivels, no autowake etc I think you are still looking at mid 60s to low 70s (again not a sales guy but I think its right in there). I think theres no such thing as a budget boat in the tow boat market, just boats that are less than 100k lol

One of the big reasons I went with Tige over those other competitors is because they were honest about what their boats were. They didn't just fall in line with the othr manufactures and claim to have a budget series..they actually came out with a budget series that I thought was a home run because it didn't have the frills of the Z line but stil produced a great wave (obviously using the same hull) AND still didn't FEEL like a budget boat (::cough:: Axis).

Now, if Tige is deciding to just "be like all the other guys" then thats fine, I'll take just as hard of a look at the other guys vs my mind was absolutely made up on an R23 because I could get a world class wave without all the bells and whistles and save myself close to $20k.

I'm not bashing Tige, they are just doing what everyone else and honestly it's a "me thing" I get that. Personally I've lost some of the pride I had in the brand because I felt Tige didn't necessarily care what all the other guys were doing..I felt like they there thumbing their noses at the competitors by being able to offer such a great series of boats at a price point that a good amount more of dudes could consider....

[BLucas86]

One of the big reasons I went with Tige over those other competitors is because they were honest about what their boats were. They didn't just fall in line with the othr manufactures and claim to have a budget series..they actually came out with a budget series that I thought was a home run because it didn't have the frills of the Z line but stil produced a great wave (obviously using the same hull) AND still didn't FEEL like a budget boat (::cough:: Axis).

Now, if Tige is deciding to just "be like all the other guys" then thats fine, I'll take just as hard of a look at the other guys vs my mind was absolutely made up on an R23 because I could get a world class wave without all the bells and whistles and save myself close to $20k.

I'm not bashing Tige, they are just doing what everyone else and honestly it's a "me thing" I get that. Personally I've lost some of the pride I had in the brand because I felt Tige didn't necessarily care what all the other guys were doing..I felt like they there thumbing their noses at the competitors by being able to offer such a great series of boats at a price point that a good amount more of dudes could consider....

Understand your concern, but your R23 vs a 2019 R23 CAN be spec'd the same and youre still getting that awesome wave. The price may have increased some, but this towboat market as a whole has increased almost double digit percentages year over year across the board.

I don't look at it as Tige trying to be like anyone, just standardizing their manufacturing process a little better and narrowing the product offering so that the average consumer doesn't get overwhelmed by having 12 different offerings with 4 of those as overlap, since hulls were being shared...

Its a shocking change, but I think once all the Tige diehards get a grasp of the new offerings, it will make more sense to the consumer and the manufacturer.

[BlackoutATX]

Ah, yeah I get that. Nothing stripped down as far as big boats go......

The boats that feel big are the Rzx2/zx1. To me the Zx1 feels bigger then a z3, not as big as an Rzx3 but bigger then an Rzx2 if that makes sense. Maybe one of those appeals to you brotha.

I just like the bigger boats. Maybe if we end up adding a large cruiser I will downsize the tow boat. But until then, give me the big guys! If I could I'd have a ZX5 sitting here right now.

[Germaine Marine]

Dont get me wrong I think adding more options is never a bad thing but lets call it what it is. The R series is now just replacing the Z series and honestly is no longer the "budget" boat that they originally came out as....

Im confused on the confussion...

You can build an entry R23 at what they have always been or a full blown crazy R23 which was the Z. OR............ wait for it...... ANYTHING IN BETWEEN.

I dont get the issue here... Really dont. Am I missing something?

[Germaine Marine]

One of the big reasons I went with Tige over those other competitors is because they were honest about what their boats were. They didn't just fall in line with the othr manufactures and claim to have a budget series..they actually came out with a budget series that I thought was a home run because it didn't have the frills of the Z line but stil produced a great wave (obviously using the same hull) AND still didn't FEEL like a budget boat (::cough:: Axis).

Now, if Tige is deciding to just "be like all the other guys" then thats fine, I'll take just as hard of a look at the other guys vs my mind was absolutely made up on an R23 because I could get a world class wave without all the bells and whistles and save myself close to $20k.

I'm not bashing Tige, they are just doing what everyone else and honestly it's a "me thing" I get that. Personally I've lost some of the pride I had in the brand because I felt Tige didn't necessarily care what all the other guys were doing..I felt like they there thumbing their noses at the competitors by being able to offer such a great series of boats at a price point that a good amount more of dudes could consider....

Burn, Im so lost on what you are trying to get across. Am I missing something? or are your wires crossed a little on what exactly is happening. If anything you could say they are eliminating the elite line (RZ,Z) but they arent even doing that. Its a semantics name drop. NOTHING, and I mean nothing has changed. A base built R boat got a smidge better with the glovebox and 1 piece observer seat without a price change.....

I am scratching my head a little to all the confusion today.

[Germaine Marine]

And what started as the "budget" boat series now starts at $92,000+ for the R23... i was worried that by eliminating the Z line between the RZX and the R series it would just allow for prices to be raised on the "budget" side. Jeebus....the R21 now starts at $84,281. That is almost a $20k hike from 2-2.5 yrs ago. So basically they eliminated the Z series and are now marketing the R series as the budget boat but slowly hiking prices back up to the Z level pricing.....I guess it works for your spreadsheets and bean counters though..... I was planning on upgrading to an R23 in a couple years but realistically with that hitting $100k by then I'll be shopping around much more than I thought...

You are acting like 2019 has seen some crazy hike, I think your numbers are off. 2018-2019 will see a 2500 price increase.. which is what 3%? The boat now has a liner, sick glovebox, pnp bags and a one piece observer seat. I just dont see a big problem. Sure the 2500 bump isnt 0 but it isnt just a bump for the sake of the year change either. I guess im missing it....

[BurnMac42]

Im confused on the confussion...

You can build an entry R23 at what they have always been or a full blown crazy R23 which was the Z. OR............ wait for it...... ANYTHING IN BETWEEN.

I dont get the issue here... Really dont. Am I missing something?

Here's maybe where I am getting confused on the pricing structure. On my 2017 R21 the negotiations side was basically the price for the boat was pretty darn close to the MSRP because of how low they were and you were negotiating lower pricing on any "upgrades" you were adding. So with the R23 and it's new price are you negotiating "down" on the MSRP? Does that make sense? It might be my preconceived perception on how the negotiations for the R series was during my R21 purchase but now that they are inching closer to realistically 100k OTD would one expect to get 10-20% off MSRP? That would bring it more in line with my expectations of a budget series boat...

You are acting like 2019 has seen some crazy hike, I think your numbers are off. 2018-2019 will see a 2500 price increase.. which is what 3%? The boat now has a liner, sick glovebox, pnp bags and a one piece observer seat. I just dont see a big problem. Sure the 2500 bump isnt 0 but it isnt just a bump for the sake of the year change either. I guess im missing it....

Maybe the jump wasn't as large on the R23 however for the R21 there has literally been an almost $20k jump from 2017 models. That's a bit more than 3% each year

[Germaine Marine]

Here's maybe where I am getting confused on the pricing structure. On my 2017 R21 the negotiations side was basically the price for the boat was pretty darn close to the MSRP because of how low they were and you were negotiating lower pricing on any "upgrades" you were adding. So with the R23 and it's new price are you negotiating "down" on the MSRP? Does that make sense? It might be my preconceived perception on how the negotiations for the R series was during my R21 purchase but now that they are inching closer to realistically 100k OTD would one expect to get 10-20% off MSRP? That would bring it more in line with my expectations of a budget series boat...



Maybe the jump wasn't as large on the R23 however for the R21 there has literally been an almost $20k jump from 2017 models. That's a bit more than 3% each year

Negative, you bought way below MSRP........... You got a great buy but that is where the confusion has come from. MSRP in 2017 was 74K NO TRAILER. MSRP in 19 is 85K with trailer. You are talking a marginal difference between the 2.