The Tige Zx1

[D&P Powell]

sandm and chpthril - good points and I really can't debate what either of you have said, specifically;

just being honest that there is always some business and economics behind it.

[Germaine Marine]

I dont mean this to be derogatory. Wake-9 is a for-hire marketing outfit. Much like a TV or radio personality. Staying or moving was pure business for all 3 parties. SC, Tige and Wake-9.



Dont hear James Earl John talk smack about Arby's, but i bet he'd fall in love real quick with Burger King if they broke out the checkbook

In reality, we see the same this very day on this very forum. If the time ever comes and there is a change, you will again see the same thing. They will quickly fall out of love and move on to the next best thing.

Not knocking it, just being honest that there is always some business and economics behind it.

Pretty damn solid synopsis Mike.....well said. Nothing personal, but it is what it is. The zx1 is a massive innovation with some other thing to follow shortly that are equally as cool.

[Germaine Marine]

The ZX and R line are not comparable. As many have said the ZX is a massive massive boat, in terms of freeboard. The Zx1 one was made to be a power house surf boat that you cant run out of real estate on (In terms of ballast and sink-ability)

You couple that with all the ballast being subfloor, big bow storage, a ZX hull and all the premium features and you get a pretty neat package that comes in under the cost of an Rzx2.

The ZX lines biggest advantage since the running surface is essentially an Rzx2, is that the boats can take big big weight correctly. The Rzx line runs out of room. It needs bow weight but the body lines inhibit being able to load up enough and stay safe. The Zx stance (bow high and taller top cap, completely change that aspect. That alone is massssssive in terms of being able to get those 2 to take the big boy weight that the other competitors are running. 5-7k of total ballast in a ZX is no problem...

[robricketts]

I want to chime in on this.

I had a 16 rz2. It was awesome and my first wakesurf boat. I liked the price and I thought it was a really good surf boat. Turns out it was...

Fast forward to this year and I’ve moved up to an RZX2. Yes it was a lot more money. A few reasons. One the initial price jump and two I spec,d the boat out with more options. I past 25 hours on the new boat last night and when I compare the two it’s no contest.

Rz2 was 10 out of 10 but now that I’ve been on a ZX wave there is no way I could be happy on my old boat. It would totally do the job and my surfing would still be fun but the new boat is in a different league.

If you have a leaner budget go with the older gen they are still great boats. If you can swing the extra $$$ then you know where I stand.

Both options are better than no boat at all.


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[robricketts]

I want to chime in on this.

I had a 16 rz2. It was awesome and my first wakesurf boat. I liked the price and I thought it was a really good surf boat. Turns out it was...

Fast forward to this year and I’ve moved up to an RZX2. Yes it was a lot more money. A few reasons. One the initial price jump and two I spec,d the boat out with more options. I past 25 hours on the new boat last night and when I compare the two it’s no contest.

Rz2 was 10 out of 10 but now that I’ve been on a ZX wave there is no way I could be happy on my old boat. It would totally do the job and my surfing would still be fun but the new boat is in a different league.

If you have a leaner budget go with the older gen they are still great boats. If you can swing the extra $$$ then you know where I stand.

Both options are better than no boat at all.


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[BlackoutATX]

The Tige Zx1

The ZX and R line are not comparable. As many have said the ZX is a massive massive boat, in terms of freeboard. The Zx1 one was made to be a power house surf boat that you cant run out of real estate on (In terms of ballast and sink-ability)

You couple that with all the ballast being subfloor, big bow storage, a ZX hull and all the premium features and you get a pretty neat package that comes in under the cost of an Rzx2.

The ZX lines biggest advantage since the running surface is essentially an Rzx2, is that the boats can take big big weight correctly. The Rzx line runs out of room. It needs bow weight but the body lines inhibit being able to load up enough and stay safe. The Zx stance (bow high and taller top cap, completely change that aspect. That alone is massssssive in terms of being able to get those 2 to take the big boy weight that the other competitors are running. 5-7k of total ballast in a ZX is no problem...

So why would anyone go for the rzx2 now that the zx1 is out? I haven’t been in either so I’m honestly asking. Would you compare them to the Z3 and RZ4 of old? The RZ4 being marketed as more of a luxury boat that can surf with the z3 being the ultimate surf boat that sacrifices a bit of luxury? At least this is the way I saw it back then.


Oh and I had to google the Arby’s guy. It’s Ving Rhames not JEJ!

[flipz96]

So why would anyone go for the rzx2 now that the zx1 is out?

There is still a market that prefers the pickle fork bow and the aggressive body lines of the RZX line. I imagine the next Tige boat will be a pickle fork with a deeper freeboard.

[dukesofhazzard]

At some pt. Innovation will come in the form of getting a good - great wave with burning less gas. Centurion maybe on to something with their fi line. Be interesting to see how much this boat will use when weighted like an fi.

[freeheel4life]

At some pt. Innovation will come in the form of getting a good - great wave with burning less gas. Centurion maybe on to something with their fi line. Be interesting to see how much this boat will use when weighted like an fi.

Since Fineline and CC are exclusively PCM I dont get to see any new PCM engines or get any training but I believe that the supposed fuel economy gains are because they went to running direct injection. Just a guess though.

[UNSTUCK]

From what I understand, it's a combination of the hull and the engine. I would love to have a GM engine in place of my raptor. Maybe next season.....

[dukesofhazzard]

Innovation. Let’s deop an electric motor in these things. Come on. That would be innovation. Battery pack deep in he Hull. Who needs ballast. Ton of torque.

[freeheel4life]

Innovation. Let’s deop an electric motor in these things. Come on. That would be innovation. Battery pack deep in he Hull. Who needs ballast. Ton of torque.

Or small displacement turbo diesels. Would EASILY meet the torque requirements guys need to push big weight. If it wasnt for emissions...Damn your CARB and the EPA for caring about "our" air

[JohnnieMo]

Or small displacement turbo diesels. Would EASILY meet the torque requirements guys need to push big weight. If it wasnt for emissions...Damn your CARB and the EPA for caring about "our" air

I love the idea. I rode on a navy RHIB one time. It had a turbo 6 diesel and man would that thing kick you in the *** at about 20kts.

90% of the ocean boats are powered with diesels engines. There must be a way to make it work in fresh water. However every time I start my Duramax the garage wall is blasted in soot. That can’t be good for fish.

[freeheel4life]

I love the idea. I rode on a navy RHIB one time. It had a turbo 6 diesel and man would that thing kick you in the *** at about 20kts.

90% of the ocean boats are powered with diesels engines. There must be a way to make it work in fresh water. However every time I start my Duramax the garage wall is blasted in soot. That can’t be good for fish.

To make it work in freshwater would require a ridiculous amount of exhaust cleaning/scrubbing, at least to legally sell is as manufacturer. . EGR, DPF, and probably urea to make it compliant. I am pretty sure offshore diesels dont have to come anywhere as near the Tier4 regulations that even heavy equipment and OTR trucks have to meet in the US.

There was a guy selling a duramax swapped Malibu a while back. I bet it would push the boat no matter how much weight was in it, or it would sink before you found that #.

I think one of the other reasons manufacturers are hesitant to use turbo diesels is exhaust gas temps are high. Having 800-1200 degree exhausts in a bilge is definitely a bit sketchy.

[safety20]

Innovation. Let’s deop an electric motor in these things. Come on. That would be innovation. Battery pack deep in he Hull. Who needs ballast. Ton of torque.

You mean something along these lines?

http://www.ltsmarine.com/EN/


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