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[Zackdogg]

What does all of that matter? Every boat has its weight limit. Lots of boats have waves that suffer with too much weight. The main question is, did you have a great wave and a great time? Or did the fact that you couldn't reach your max available weight ruin your day? Everytime we go out our wave gets better. And it's different each time. This time we ran the stock 3000, full PNP in the on side and almost empty PNP in the off side. We then had an extra bag that filled the entire surf locker. Then less than 500 in people weight. Boat pushed it easily and it's a lot less weight than I've ran in the past. Our main goal is a great wave with no lead.

You’re totally right, and where it was ruining my days, early in the summer, where we had a lousy wave because we couldn’t push half the ballast and no lead, we’re getting a nice wave now. I’m a hell of a lot happier with this prop, for sure. I do think the boat should be able to push what it’s designed to max at, not necessarily the extra lead and PnP, but we’re getting a nice wave now, at least..

I like the lead. I think it’s more effective all the way in the bow and locker, and takes less space out of the boat.. only complaint is that I have to move it back to the floor for trailering.. my girl hates it though!!


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[UNSTUCK]

That's good to hear. I think in reality you are there. That boat is doing what it was designed to do. There is no question that prop changes are a must. I believe that it is the dealer that ends up doing the prop, not tige. So it is ready to work in the local area. Now that you have the right prop, the boat is doing what it was designed to do. Keep in mind it's only designed to haul around 2200 pounds of people and gear (water). At least that's what the tag says.
To really go above and beyond, what you really want to do, I think you should still look at the transmission.

[bsreid]

If you really want to go above and beyond I’m still a believer that you need to jump up to the 16” prop.

[Zackdogg]

That's good to hear. I think in reality you are there. That boat is doing what it was designed to do. There is no question that prop changes are a must. I believe that it is the dealer that ends up doing the prop, not tige. So it is ready to work in the local area. Now that you have the right prop, the boat is doing what it was designed to do. Keep in mind it's only designed to haul around 2200 pounds of people and gear (water). At least that's what the tag says.
To really go above and beyond, what you really want to do, I think you should still look at the transmission.

I agree with you, I’m no longer completely disgusted with the boat, I learned a whole hell of a lot this summer, and we’ve had some great times in the 125 hours we’ve put on this year.

This is the 3rd time it’s been propped, so that only works for the first one. The second one is probably on the liar/moron I got the boat from, but I don’t expect he was smart enough to do the research to prop it right, either.

I agree on the capacity of the boat, except, as far as I’m concerned it should push the 2200 in bodies, and 3000 ballast that come from the factory. If it were only 2200, the factory ballast would be over capacity when full. I’m sure that’s why Tige went to 2:1, and bigger prop, because the 16 rzx, and I’m sure ASR, won’t push the weight they supposedly designed the boat for, maybe at sea level, but not a whole bunch higher. Either they didn’t test the boat properly, or let Indimar do what they thought was best, or whatever the reason. I’d be really hard to be convinced otherwise. It’s a major design flaw, as far as I’m concerned. I wish I had seen other people writing this before I bought this boat, which is partially the reason I’m writing this now. I had friends tell me I should only get a SC boat at the elevations we run, which I guess I should have listened to, as well. I do know for my next boat, at this point. And maybe it is out there, and I just missed it, it seems to be more common knowledge around here, than anywhere else I’ve seen, but it’s all been after the fact.

I wouldn’t have even figured out as much as I have this summer, without the help of you guys, so I really do appreciate that. I went from pulling my hair out every weekend, to gaining a bunch of knowledge about this particular boat, and being satisfied with the performance, even if I’m not elated.

I know the fix is the 2:1, since supercharging this thing isn’t going to be viable without the help of indimar, which is never going to happen. It is really hard to swallow that I either eat $10-$12k, to get this boat to do what I think it should from the factory, sell this boat and start over, which probably means a $10k loss, anyways. I know you went through a similar situation Unstuck, and you have given me a ton of info, as to what I need to do to put a 2:1 in there, so I’m probably preaching to the choir, anyways. The prop is a bandaid, for sure, but now I have a 33mph boat that sucks an insane amount of gas.

Maybe you guys are over hearing me bitch about my first world problems, and I’ll shut up if that’s the case. I really am trying to help the next guy, or the guy that’s reading this that doesn’t understand why his boat isn’t performing. I know the ultimate solution for mine, but if that means buying a different boat, it probably also means stepping away from Tige as a brand, which I’ve always stayed loyal to brands that I feel are the best. I ride Harley Davidson, and drive Cadillac and Chevrolet, always have always will. Guessing the next year will determine what boat I feel that way about, May or may not be a Tige, at this point.




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[Zackdogg]

Supercharger bolt-on

If you really want to go above and beyond I’m still a believer that you need to jump up to the 16” prop.

I wish there was a way to try one out without dumping $850 for a test drive. I don’t know if someone makes one with a low enough pitch for my dog of a motor.. If I end up doing the 2:1, I don’t want to buy a prop before that, if I sell the boat I don’t want to dump anymore money in this thing. I’m just kinda in a holding pattern until I figure out what my plan is. If I had one to throw on there, I’d love to try it for a weekend, for comparison, just not sure it’s worth spending more on this thing, at the moment.


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[outkastmunkey]

I haven’t taken anything Zackdogg has said as whining you have been pretty calm, problem solving, funny all at the same time not letting any of these issues ruin your summer!


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[bsreid]

I totally understand, spending this much money on a new boat and not having it be able to perform sucks. It really does, we’ve been in this exact situation. Personally like you said I agree brand loyalty kinda took a hit here, we’re happy now but definitely not sure where we’re headed next.

I’d give acme a call and ask to talk to Jim. Explain to him the situation and mention the prop I told you about hopefully he remembers me talking to him. If not let me know and I can confirm that this custom prop is a major success on the rzx 440. My point is maybe they’ll do one up for you and give let you try it out and return it if things are no good.

[UNSTUCK]

Nettles is excellent about trying props out. If they have one, they will let you try it.

[Zackdogg]

I haven’t taken anything Zackdogg has said as whining you have been pretty calm, problem solving, funny all at the same time not letting any of these issues ruin your summer!


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I’ve been trying to stay calm, and I’ve had a great summer, probably could have been some days that were better, but overall it’s been killer. This boat has served the purpose of getting me to take days off, spend time with my girl, and getting some friends out who have kids and use it for an excuse to not do anything. It’s also taught me a lot, and I’m pretty up in the RZX as a machine at this point too. All of that is good stuff!!


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[Zackdogg]

I totally understand, spending this much money on a new boat and not having it be able to perform sucks. It really does, we’ve been in this exact situation. Personally like you said I agree brand loyalty kinda took a hit here, we’re happy now but definitely not sure where we’re headed next.

I’d give acme a call and ask to talk to Jim. Explain to him the situation and mention the prop I told you about hopefully he remembers me talking to him. If not let me know and I can confirm that this custom prop is a major success on the rzx 440. My point is maybe they’ll do one up for you and give let you try it out and return it if things are no good.

I know, and you’re one of 2 or 3 guys that I’ve talked to a bunch privately about it, also, and you’ve given me some great advice, as well. I have a company, and I know that if I tell my clients I’ll give them one thing, and then only give them a partial version of what I tell them, I end up getting ripped a new one, asked for a refund, or threatened with legal action. It’s the nature of the beast.

I tried to get Jim on the phone for weeks straight, because I’ve heard what a wizard the guy is. And I can’t track him down.. maybe now that summer is coming to the end, it would be easier. And to be fair Acme did respond to an email I sent, don’t know if it was Jim or not, but I couldn’t get someone to actually talk to me, no matter how many messages I left, both with the lady that answers phones, and voicemail. I’ll try and get ahold of him, and see what he thinks, I’m sure he’ll remember your situation.


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[Zackdogg]

Nettles is excellent about trying props out. If they have one, they will let you try it.

They’re definitely awesome, and I’ve been trying to steer as many people to them as I can. They took great care of me. The prop Bsreid is running is custom, so I’m not sure how that would work from them.


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[bsreid]

Nettles can do it the thing is they probably won’t stabd behind the roduct and let you try it. I actually had the prop done up here in Canada just to save shipping.

[Zackdogg]

Nettles can do it the thing is they probably won’t stabd behind the roduct and let you try it. I actually had the prop done up here in Canada just to save shipping.

You’re having a local shop change the cup for you?? I actually have a propeller guy in our warehouse complex and he’s supposed to be good. I could probably get him on board with working with me, on that..

How do you guys think the pitch on a 15” prop translates to a 16”?? and maybe that’s a question for acme, just curious if anyone has thoughts.. I know my 15”x12” will work decent up to like 2500’.. my 15”x11” is good to about 5000’.. not sure what pitch on a I think 16”x12” was the lowest pitch I saw.. just curious what a 16”x12” would be equivalent to on a 15” prop..


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[bsreid]

The bigger jump in diameter translates into a bigger jump in pitch. We technically went up in pitch from a 12 to 12.5 when going to the 16” but because the diameter is great it makes up for it. I’m trying to remember what they told me but you can only have such a big diameter for the low number of pitch or it just doesn’t wake. Therefore 16x12.5 with cup taken out is key.

I didn’t have a local shop do it I had a shop in Alberta do it. Acme recommended them as a really good resource. Paying duty and shipping on the prop would just make no sense.

[Zackdogg]

The bigger jump in diameter translates into a bigger jump in pitch. We technically went up in pitch from a 12 to 12.5 when going to the 16” but because the diameter is great it makes up for it. I’m trying to remember what they told me but you can only have such a big diameter for the low number of pitch or it just doesn’t wake. Therefore 16x12.5 with cup taken out is key.

I didn’t have a local shop do it I had a shop in Alberta do it. Acme recommended them as a really good resource. Paying duty and shipping on the prop would just make no sense.

I’ll work on getting Jim on the phone, especially now that summer is over, we don’t have to rush to get stuff done. Maybe he’ll have some idea for me. You ever run at higher elevations, or stay around yours all the time?



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