Describe the tube start?
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Yeah I can see your frustration then. I have seen guys do the tube start with just a single person tube, they just sit on it and that way they can point the board toward the boat a little already and are also almost standing on top of it already. Everyone I have taught to surf the prob has been not standing up fast enough. Hope it works out for u. I think I saw a video on YouTube of some using tube start.
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1 - have the child sit on the edge of a tube
2 - have a 2nd person (one who can help ie teenager, adult who's understanding of what needs to be taught sitting on the tube with the child)
3 - place the board facing the right way in the water
4 - have the child put their feet with almost no weight on the board (have the helper help them position their feet correctly and to have their toes to the inside of the board (middle is bad)
5 - hand the rope to the child
6 - have the driver of the boat yell "stand up" as they start moving the boat (do not go too slow.....run your normal speed) and help steer the kids so they don't go on the wave
7 - once up have an adult in the boat pull the rope in to get them into the wave
8 - tell them to bend their knees and touch the wave with one hand on the handle and one reaching out to touch the wave (usually culprit is the board is sideways, get them to have the board pointing to the boat) touching the wave is key
if they fall quickly, having the person on the tube is great as they can talk to the child and tell them to swim back towards the tube and help them up to try again. Nothing worse then 5 year old in the water as a huge boat comes near them. Follow the above and you'll have everyone up and surfing within 3 tries. Most common issue is their balance and that'll come quickly or another mistake I see is driver error, on not positioning them get outside the wave.
Hope that helps!
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The other thing I've seen work well with multiple kids is to start REALLY slow. Just a notch above idle speed will let them flip the board and you can slowly pull them with the board flipped and on their feet until they are stable - then slowly come up to speed to allow them to maintain control throughout. This also helps prevent them from coming up on the top of the wave.
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Originally posted by rhoadsdj View PostThe other thing I've seen work well with multiple kids is to start REALLY slow. Just a notch above idle speed will let them flip the board and you can slowly pull them with the board flipped and on their feet until they are stable - then slowly come up to speed to allow them to maintain control throughout. This also helps prevent them from coming up on the top of the wave.
My 2 kids had different techniques, both of which worked for them. My son was first, and used the method on one of ragboy's videos where he pushed the back side down with his hand to help pop the board. My daughter could not do that as she is only about 40 lbs, so she holds the top of the board up and puts her feet on the board like a frog while I am just slightly moving forward (engine bump every few seconds) when she gets the board popped and is still holding the board and the rope with 2 hands (rope over edge of the board with both hands on the rope and reaching past the handle to barely hold the board) I put the boat in gear and quickly get to 1200 rpms. She lets go of the board and pops right up. With this method it only took her 3 tries to get it the first time.
I have my 7 year old ropeless and my 5 year old getting up and trying by herself. We are using a cwb dash, but ordered a hyperlite gromcast as the dash has a very flat rocker, and they tend to bury the nose... and with 4 kids 7 and under we will use them... we also tried the scamp, which was similar to the dash. My son struggled with the surf board at first, and learned to get up on the wake skate first as it was much smaller and easier to handle.
Also, I had them both just about standing in the pool before we tried behind the boat, and didnt even let them try until they could get up on the wakeboard.
Watching them succeed was amazing! We also incentivised trying with a trip for ice cream... but now if we ask them if they want to go surf or go for ice cream they both will pick surfing every time!
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We tie the tube rope to the boat when doing our tube starts. Put the rope on the opposite side of the boat from the surfer tied to the tie down loop. That way you don't have to worry about the tube getting left behind and the tube/rope stays on the other side of the wake so it's safe. The only thing to watch out for is if the surfer falls right after getting up, before the wake forms as the tube and rope will be coming right at them. A quick stop makes this a non issue. Have them sit on the tube like mentioned above. We turn the tube 90* so the rope is pointing to the off side and have all the tube rope thrown out that way. Then as the surf rope goes tight, have the surfer just stand up. They quickly ride away from the tube while its 60' rope takes up its slack. Instant smiles for someone who had been struggling with a water start.
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I was just in Island Park and I have two nephews that size that ride a 4'6" board. The trick is that my brother in law starts slow and they both start on there knees and stand up with that little bit of rope tension. After that he goes to 9.8mph and they surf away. It was pretty awesome and I'm trying to get my 7 year old to do the same.
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Our kids both got up the normal way. I just tell them toes to the sky and heels to the bottom of the lake. I pull them slow and increase speed very slowly until they stand then they are off. I think the right size board makes the difference. My son would never be able to get a bigger board to the bottom of his feet.
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I tried the tube start but had trouble getting everything to line up. We finally had success by starting on his belly then move to knees then turn 90 degrees on knees so his body is in the correct position then stand up rear foot first. He can pretty much do it that way every time now but he is using a larger board. Havnt tried this method with his 44" board yet. I like dukesofhazzard method above and plan to give that a shot soon. Thanks for the tips.
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Thank you to all who helped with my nephew. I finally today got him up on the board.(surf) I had the success with wakeboard training just working with him behind the boat pulling by hand at first. Then the boat pull.(not much past idle) then put him on the smallest board I have..... one pull he was up. (in total about a hour and half) I did come prepared for a tube start. I thank my lucky stars I didn't have to go there. but I did drag that "7 year old butt" as much as he wanted. He didn't make it back to the dock awake .LOL.Mom and Dad where very happy.
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