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**MvM** · 06-18-2018, 01:17 AM

So no one has anything to offer. Lake testing the boat tomorrow.

**JohnnieMo** · 06-18-2018, 01:33 AM

The 2015 was the last year of the AVx extension before they went with the TAPS3. To get the most out of an AVx boat you'll need a suck gate. If you don't know what that is, just google it.

Having to attach something to the hull is disappointing on a newish boat, so that the the drawback for that year. 2016 you would have TAPS3

I have a 2013 and rock the suck gate all day long. It wouldn't bother me one bit.

Does 2015 have Tige Touch 2 or 1? 2 is quite a bit better.

Honestly, that will be a great boat. I don't recall any major problems with the 2015 year.

As for pricing, I'm not entirely sure. I would say something around $75k. I'm not too versed on the Rz2 or 2015, so I'm ballparking it.

The RZ2 hull has been around since 2007. It is a hardcore performer, and being around that long, it has all the bugs worked out. It will surf great, and wakeboard great. I think they only upside of the newer (Tige) designs is a bit deeper freeboard than the RZ. That matters to some and not others. Centurion and Malibu have REALLY low freeboard, so some people must prefer it.

Ask what ballast system it has in it.

**bsreid** · 06-18-2018, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by JohnnieMo View Post

I think they only upside of the newer (Tige) designs is a bit deeper freeboard than the RZ. That matters to some and not others. Centurion and Malibu have REALLY low freeboard, so some people must prefer

Low freeboard eh?

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Back on topic. The 2015s do have the capability of easily being switched over to taps 3 and many people have done it. Regarding freeboard that would be my only hesitation with the rz2 if you really want the next of the best wave.

**JohnnieMo** · 06-18-2018, 03:27 AM

Maybe I'm using the wrong term, but I mean the vertical distance from the top of the seat to the deck rail. What is that called?

(A quick Google tells me I've been using this term wrong)

**freeheel4life** · 06-18-2018, 04:34 AM

It's hard to really evaluate the boat without some pics, and links to sale. Some of the "fully loaded" items are actually basic stock items for that boat. Others were truly options, but even at that end, you could order different sizes ballast bags, 2 or 4 wet sound rev 10s, etc.
Like others have said, the RZ2 hull is a tried and true performer. Hasn't changed in a while. It is a great rmtowboat and the pickle nose really seats more people with a bit more room in the bow, compared to some other boats of the same length. The bow rides a bit low to the water especially with ballast and people up front. It's not a bad thing, just needs attention paid when turning around through others rollers if off plain and weighted.

**jslayde1** · 06-18-2018, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by JohnnieMo View Post

The 2015 was the last year of the AVx extension before they went with the TAPS3. To get the most out of an AVx boat you'll need a suck gate.

Sorry JohnnieMo, but I have to disagree with this. I'll say it again, the AVX is one of the best waves out there. VX is a little different, but the AVX is awesome - and hasn't had many problems...(just saying).

2015 does has the TT2

RZ2 is a good boat - as these others have said, been around a long time.

**akdoc** · 06-18-2018, 01:49 PM

[QUOTE

The RZ2 hull has been around since 2007. It is a hardcore performer, and being around that long, it has all the bugs worked out. It will surf great, and wakeboard great. I think they only upside of the newer (Tige) designs is a bit deeper freeboard than the RZ. That matters to some and not others. Centurion and Malibu have REALLY low freeboard, so some people must prefer it.

Ask what ballast system it has in it.[/QUOTE]

I also disagree with the Malibu freeboard. My brother has a 2011 RZ4 and we were coving out next to a 2014 23LSV and it sat a good 4-5" higher with much more freeboard. This may be true on the older Bu's and Centurion's but not the case anymore at all. Tige's RZX line and ZX5 obviously have more freeboard than the RZ series, Z series and R series.

**NICKYPOO** · 06-18-2018, 03:09 PM

I’m sorry but, you guys don’t know what low freeboard is until you’ve been on my boat. From down here, an RZ2 is a skyscraper.

**BlackoutATX** · 06-18-2018, 04:04 PM

I have a 2015 AVX RZ4. The RZ2's big brother. I can give you some thoughts. The AVX does indeed make a great wave. But you do have to list the boat over pretty good. I never liked doing this after being on boats where a heavy list wasn't necessary. When I added the suck gate (Mission Delta) it was pretty life changing. Not having to list the boat is awesome. This eventually caused me to remove the AVX and switch over to the TAPs 3 plates. I did it myself with the help of Jason (Elevatedconcepts). It is surprisingly easy to do. The 2015 with AVX you are basically just unbolting the AVX and attaching the TAPs3 plates to the hull. Another major reason I did the switch was for resale value. Taps 3 is the current surf system for all new Tiges. The AVX is great. But most aren't going to want the "older" technology. The biggest piece of advice I have for you is to get the Taps 3 on that boat one way or another.

Low Nose/Freeboard . As others have mentioned. The RZ2/4 can sit pretty low. It just doesn't have the overall freeboard of some of the newer boats. This results in more spray in the boat when underway and being more prone to waves over the nose. Especially when weighted down or people in the front. It is not a major problem. But it is something you have to keep an eye on. Even more so if you're on a bigger lake with big waves.

Minimal storage space. I think this is a problem on many surf boats. But when the bags are all full, there is no room for storage on the boat. The in floor ballast on many boats is pretty amazing. Although, many of those boats run additional bags in those compartments anyway. Just something to think about.

Older design. Overall the RZ2/4 is just an older design. Some think it looks a bit dated compared to newer models. I think color and graphics is a big piece of this. But it is something to think about. I personally love the look of them. I think they have a classic design that stands out. But to each their own.

I love my RZ4. Those are just a few things that bug me. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the RZ2 to anyone. This place is a great resource. If you have specific questions, feel free to ask.

**MvM** · 06-18-2018, 05:43 PM

Here’s a link to the boat. Currently listed at 69,900. Thoughts?
https://www.boattrader.com/listing/2...dard%20listing

**bsreid** · 06-18-2018, 06:51 PM

I definitely wouldn’t consider that boat to be loaded. It has some options but definitely not loaded. Price may be a little high but definitely not bad.

You could get yourself into an 18 for not too much more and have the same options with the r22.
https://www.onlyinboards.com/2018-Ti...gia-83657.aspx

Even better yet a Z3 with taps 3 and more options for only a tad more.
https://www.onlyinboards.com/2016-Ti...uri-83914.aspx

**JohnnieMo** · 06-18-2018, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by jslayde1 View Post

Sorry JohnnieMo, but I have to disagree with this. I'll say it again, the AVX is one of the best waves out there. VX is a little different, but the AVX is awesome - and hasn't had many problems...(just saying).

2015 does has the TT2

RZ2 is a good boat - as these others have said, been around a long time.

Have you put a suck gate on your boat to try it? I became a believer. I'd personally love an AVx to go with the suck gate. Maybe I'll jump on one of these guys doing the TAPS3 upgrade.

**BlackoutATX** · 06-19-2018, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by JohnnieMo View Post

Have you put a suck gate on your boat to try it? I became a believer. I'd personally love an AVx to go with the suck gate. Maybe I'll jump on one of these guys doing the TAPS3 upgrade.

I have one sitting in my garage!

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**jslayde1** · 06-19-2018, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by JohnnieMo View Post

Have you put a suck gate on your boat to try it? I became a believer. I'd personally love an AVx to go with the suck gate. Maybe I'll jump on one of these guys doing the TAPS3 upgrade.

I don't personally but have used them on other boats that don't create the wave I can (on a moomba 2 days ago). Man I don't know how else to say this, but I don't need a shaper - that's the best explanation I can give without giving a paragraph. I have a monster wave, clean as the driven snow and only list 4 to 5 degrees on the regular side (goofy is more of course). I mean shoot....I just don't need a shaper...

and BTW, I mean no hostility to those who run or like the shaper (for all the trolls out there).

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