How does the surf number change the wave TAPS3?

[tgmind]

Sorry if this is a silly question but I'm new to Tige and haven't been able to find this specific info. My 2018 RZR has 2 numbers for surfing, Surf and Taps. The taps number makes obvious changes to the wave length. I just realized I could change the surf number but it wasn't as obvious what was changing. On the wakeboard magazine review video they say they run the surf setting at 8 but In the few posts I did find seems like everyone is saying to run at 1. The stock preset is 4. Any advice on how this setting affects the wave would be great. Thanks

[KoolAid]

1 the plate is all of the way down and 10 is all the way up in the usable range. Start off with 4 an 4 then adjust from there, always.

[UNSTUCK]

The theory behind a wake surf waves goes like this, in a simple form:

In order to create the wave you need to keep the water that is running down the two sides of the boat from crashing back into each other once they reach the rear of the boat. Tige uses these Taps3 plates to do that, I think in two ways. 1- it pushes water out and away from the boat which helps to delay the water from crashing back into each other. 2 - it adjusts the way the boat travels through the water, by listing the boat and turning it a bit sideways. These are two more ways that the water is delayed. Adjusting the position of the Taps3 plates will change the way the water is moving around the boat, and the position the boat is running through the water. These will all have an effect on the shape of the wave, from long to short, steep to mellow. So it's important to play with the setting and figure out what wave you like best. Maybe for you it's super steep and maybe for your friend it's not.

[tgmind]

Thanks for the replies. I know the taps setting changes the attitude of the boat(bow up or down).

Does the surf setting change the list or yaw or both? Is #1 more list/yaw and #10 less or the other way around?

Thanks

[freeheel4life]

Thanks for the replies. I know the taps setting changes the attitude of the boat(bow up or down).

Does the surf setting change the list or yaw or both? Is #1 more list/yaw and #10 less or the other way around?

Thanks

In theory a 1 would attempt to list the boat more, but as I understand the physics of it, its also adding more "crabwalk" at a 1 than it would at 10 which is helping delay convergence.

[Jetdriver]

The TAPS (center plate) will adjust your height and length more drastically. Higher the number the plate goes up and the stern sinks creating a taller wave. Lower number plate is deeper in the water pushing the stern up and resulting in a longer wave. Speed increases and decreases do the same thing. The surf setting adjusts list and really fine tunes the shape of the wave. The lower surf number the lower the plate is in the water. Lower plate = more list or lift. A by product of lift is drag which is why the boat will yaw slightly with the surf plates deployed.

KoolAid is a Tige’ everything wizard. Starting at 4 and 4 is great advice for a starting point. The wave will be different on any given day based on how heavily the boat is loaded and where that weight is located. For best results load it up! The more weight aft the better in my opinion but I like a steep wave. Also I’m a big proponent of surfing at higher speeds as the wave has more energy (think push) 11.5-12.2 depending on weight, boat, and rider preference.

[tgmind]

Awesome thats what I was hoping to learn thank you!!!!!

Bonus question :-) when we feel like we aren't getting enough board speed we slow the boat down to compensate. Kinda seems to be working but puts us at around 10.5. Any advice for how to get up to 11+ and have enough board speed to stay in the wave? We tried lots of different settings and speeds yesterday but never really landed on a way to ride at higher speeds. Riding a 5' 4" Hyperlight broadcast (hybrid). At higher speeds we seems to slowly creep back until we lose the wave. Can pump and stay in a while but inevitably fall out the back.

Thanks again.

[Jetdriver]

Higher speeds will require more weight or a higher taps setting to get the wave taller and steeper. Problem is if you go too high it washes the lip out of the wave. You’ll have to mess with it to find what works for you in your given configuration. You may very well have better luck with as much weight aft as possible and a speed right around 11 or a touch less. It also may help to explore the wave a bit to find the sweet spot. It’s kinda surprising to me but I find the most push to be just a touch above the trough of the wave. Also I find on taps 3 boats when riding on the port side wave (regular), if the driver counter steers just a tad the wave steepens pretty dramatically.

[BurnMac42]

Higher speeds will require more weight or a higher taps setting to get the wave taller and steeper. .

Taps or Taps 3?

[Jetdriver]

I think most people will refer to the TAPS 2 tab (center tab) as TAPS and TAPS 3 (outside tabs) as surf on TAPS 3 boats as they’re labeled like that on Tige’ touch. In the pre TAPS 3 boats the system was called TAPS 2. Guessing there was an original that was just TAPS but that was before the dinosaurs

[Germaine Marine]

As you add more weight you DO NOT add more plate. The amount of plate should be nearly identical with stock ballast as it is with big ballast. As you add plate into the water (Either taps 3 or 2) you induce lift to the rear of the boat thus cancelling out that ballast you just spent time filling. Run just enough plate to help get the desired list and crab and just enough center plate to knock down the prop wash. If you are running plates to force the boat into a certain running attitude then you will always be a step behind in wave as well as chasing that ever elusive consistency.

Ballast setup should get you 90% of the way in terms of running attitude.

[Jetdriver]

To be clear by add plate Elevatedconcept means lower the number. It can be kinda confusing.

[smoothtoup]

So if I understand correctly, the different variables are:

Speed
Front left ballast
Front right ballast
Rear left ballast
Rear right ballast
Taps 2 setting (center plate, adjust on throttle)
Taps 3 setting (side tabs, adjust on screen, also called Surf)
# of people in the boat



And these variables are changing:
Height of wave
Length of wave
Push of wave



Hmm, that's a LOT of variables! Makes sense why I am having trouble dialing in my R23.


Is there a guide to indicate...more speed makes a longer wave, Taps 2 changes height of wave, ballast changes push of wave....or whatever they change?

[UNSTUCK]

Is there a guide to indicate...more speed makes a longer wave, Taps 2 changes height of wave, ballast changes push of wave....or whatever they change?

Word on the street is that Jason is writing one now. "Surf Set Up for Dummies". Most of us have already reserved a copy.

[Jetdriver]

Yep, it’s right here on Tige’ Owners