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    #16
    Originally posted by elevatedconcept View Post
    Taps 3 is inducing list and CRABBING the boat Sideways. It’s replicating a similar affect that you get when you lean a boat really hard to the rub rail on one side... as you know.

    The difference here is displacement.

    When you take a boat non Taps 3 and lean it over, it’s done so with a lot of weight on one side, which rocks the boat over onto its corner and allows the boat at an angle to sit deeper into the water. When listed only, the boat delays the convergence by the lean and slight crab and walla listed wave. It needs the max lean to induce the crab. You asked Can you get a similar wave with non taps3? My answer is that’s a loaded question.... in theory yes but it’s rather complicated.

    If you list a boat over you do so with say 2k lbs of weight ish on one side. While that works awesome, realistically you are only using a certain percentage of hull in the water and realistically tapped out in terms of weight if the rail is in the water. Awesome? Most definitely, but is that smaller amount of hull in the water compressing the same amount of water and energy as say the same boat that has 5k lbs of weight? Not a chance. Weight goes further in a listed setup at the expense of a lower ceiling and miserable driving condition's

    Take the same boat that we listed above, weight it even, displace 3x the amount of water, keep the hull much more flat thus compressing much more water at speed and you quickly get your answer. Taps3 and all the surf systems biggest function is still that they get the necessary crab needed to really delay convergence at a push of a button. The list via taps 3 is really just to aid in shape.

    So the long answer to your question is yes but no. You could get the same wave if the boat was built to sustain the amount of list you would encounter as you displaced the same amount of water. But given those leaning hard are forced to stop at the rub rail the answer is no.

    Take a taps3 boat run it at the correct orientation and do it with the ability to displace say 5-7k lbs and the listed wave cannot keep up.

    The caveat is that you have to sink a taps 3 boat. If you don’t, the margin is much closer in terms of wave energy, size etc.


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    I agree with all of this... but have you ever compared a TAPS3 boat with exactly the same ballast to a suck gate? I'd be curious on the results. So take a new showroom Z3 with TAPS3, and try it with both Suck Gate and TAPS3 and see how they compare.

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      #17
      Originally posted by JohnnieMo View Post
      I agree with all of this... but have you ever compared a TAPS3 boat with exactly the same ballast to a suck gate? I'd be curious on the results. So take a new showroom Z3 with TAPS3, and try it with both Suck Gate and TAPS3 and see how they compare.
      Yes... it’s different but close. Same concept


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        #18
        I just measured my PNP bags. They are about 28x19x18. That’s about 344 pounds. So I do have the small bags and this probably explains why my bow stays down while surfing.

        I really like the idea of an Enzo style bag that goes up under the seats to help with the needed midship ballast. Should I keep the rear locker portion of those bags this same size or move up the the 560 size bag? I need to go back and measure but I’m thinking I can get 400 pounds on each side, under the seats.

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