Surf diagnostic says overcurrent

[UNSTUCK]

While both systems run on 12v systems, the power supplied and cutoffs are drastically different. Im not an electrical engineer but I know that amperage is the key variable here that is different between the 2. For example, in Tiges recent update, they changed amperage rates in the software for the newer swivel system. Now whether thats cutoff points or actual amperage supplied I would have to get clarification. I will say that its a noticeable difference. If my mind serves me right the system went from 20A to 25A now. While the voltage has remain unchanged, the amperage (flow) has been bumped up or the limit increased. I believe that you would notice this most as the actuator encounters more load.

Both systems run with different actuator angles (PSI Load). Tige used to be straight up and down, now they are at an angle with swivels. Both systems have significantly different loads. As for Gsa, thats a whole separate deal given they are running actuators on a flat plane that nearly bump the limit set by Lenco. Difference is the software which control/time/amperage at given intervals. I think GSA has this down to a perfect science, given they had to dial in the exact amount of load that their system was inducing via actuator angle and make sure that the power side of things was correct for consistent and accurate deployment and retraction. Im not saying Tige didnt do this, im just saying I think GSA does it better.

As for actuator type... both are using the 101XDS's.

Again, I know my knowledge of the power side of things is not great im sure my explanation is not perfect or the lingo is incorrect. But I am pretty confident in the bare nuts and bolts. That is until someone corrects me

This kind of technical stuff always interests me. The old "vertical" mounting of the actuators gave them the most strength (leverage), but in the case of the "smaller" boats necessitated mounting them on the swim deck, which is not desirable. In the case of making taps 3 work, amperage is the product of the system voltage and resistance or load in the circuit. Tige can't really control the amperage in the circuit because they are confined to the system voltage and they only have a very small window of changing the resistance, ie the location of the lever, and the design of the taps plate. All they could really do is make certain that the circuit can handle the amps that will be applied. In this case I have to assume that they decided that their controller could not handle the amps from running GSA and was basically forced to use the GSA controller. This is interesting because of the way the two surf systems are built. Taps 3 uses (used) a much better actuator mounting location to make the system the strongest. But the Taps 3 plates also travel to an almost vertical position which induces the largest load on the actuator. Now GSA is just the opposite where it uses the worst actuator mounting position in terms of having any leverage. But the GSA system has a very small range of motion so there is much less force applied to it vs. a taps plate all the way down. This is where we leave electrical engineering (I'm not one, by the way) and enter the realm of physics, which is beyond me. In my mind the two systems would probably produce similar amperage in the electrical circuit, but I guess not. I assume the actuator circuit runs right into the Tige Clear or Touch and that it's rated for 25 amps max. Why not run external relays to power the actuators and then still use Tiges system to control it, and just adjust the run times, if needed?

How were the GSA plates on your old RZX controlled?

[Germaine Marine]

This kind of technical stuff always interests me. The old "vertical" mounting of the actuators gave them the most strength (leverage), but in the case of the "smaller" boats necessitated mounting them on the swim deck, which is not desirable. In the case of making taps 3 work, amperage is the product of the system voltage and resistance or load in the circuit. Tige can't really control the amperage in the circuit because they are confined to the system voltage and they only have a very small window of changing the resistance, ie the location of the lever, and the design of the taps plate. All they could really do is make certain that the circuit can handle the amps that will be applied. In this case I have to assume that they decided that their controller could not handle the amps from running GSA and was basically forced to use the GSA controller. This is interesting because of the way the two surf systems are built. Taps 3 uses (used) a much better actuator mounting location to make the system the strongest. But the Taps 3 plates also travel to an almost vertical position which induces the largest load on the actuator. Now GSA is just the opposite where it uses the worst actuator mounting position in terms of having any leverage. But the GSA system has a very small range of motion so there is much less force applied to it vs. a taps plate all the way down. This is where we leave electrical engineering (I'm not one, by the way) and enter the realm of physics, which is beyond me. In my mind the two systems would probably produce similar amperage in the electrical circuit, but I guess not. I assume the actuator circuit runs right into the Tige Clear or Touch and that it's rated for 25 amps max. Why not run external relays to power the actuators and then still use Tiges system to control it, and just adjust the run times, if needed?

How were the GSA plates on your old RZX controlled?

They never tried to make the system control a bigger plate, we did.

Their recent update was for taps 3, they changed the cutoff from 20a to 25a.


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[Germaine Marine]

This kind of technical stuff always interests me. The old "vertical" mounting of the actuators gave them the most strength (leverage), but in the case of the "smaller" boats necessitated mounting them on the swim deck, which is not desirable. In the case of making taps 3 work, amperage is the product of the system voltage and resistance or load in the circuit. Tige can't really control the amperage in the circuit because they are confined to the system voltage and they only have a very small window of changing the resistance, ie the location of the lever, and the design of the taps plate. All they could really do is make certain that the circuit can handle the amps that will be applied. In this case I have to assume that they decided that their controller could not handle the amps from running GSA and was basically forced to use the GSA controller. This is interesting because of the way the two surf systems are built. Taps 3 uses (used) a much better actuator mounting location to make the system the strongest. But the Taps 3 plates also travel to an almost vertical position which induces the largest load on the actuator. Now GSA is just the opposite where it uses the worst actuator mounting position in terms of having any leverage. But the GSA system has a very small range of motion so there is much less force applied to it vs. a taps plate all the way down. This is where we leave electrical engineering (I'm not one, by the way) and enter the realm of physics, which is beyond me. In my mind the two systems would probably produce similar amperage in the electrical circuit, but I guess not. I assume the actuator circuit runs right into the Tige Clear or Touch and that it's rated for 25 amps max. Why not run external relays to power the actuators and then still use Tiges system to control it, and just adjust the run times, if needed?

How were the GSA plates on your old RZX controlled?

Yes and no. They can control the amperage in the form of cutoff points. If the system had a 12v 20a supply limit point then a change to a 12v 25a limit point would essentially be giving it more power. Not voltage but flow which is why it would be noticed when the actuators are encountering load.

I ran Gsa off the old system which had different amperage limits and thus different time settings. The system worked awesome. Corer Rutherford just did it to his 17 and heirs ecstatic.

Gsa would not function on 18 software...


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[TigeFamily]

Very interesting, I have been strongly considering adding GSA to my boat. Even tho the Nauticurl suck gate I have puts out a very nice clean wave....GSA is so much easier and I have a friend I ride with frequently that has that system on his 2006 and it works beautifully. My only hangup has been spending $4k when I already have something that works excellent, just cannot switch sides on the fly with suck gate. I doubt my wave would get "better", but certainly would be nicer and easier to use by having electronic control. From what I have seen tho, the GSA tabs are better than any other tab system out there the way it directs/forms water using the channels in the tabs. May end up being something I add this winter since I plan to keep boat for a few years.

[UNSTUCK]

So do you think we'll see Tige move away from Taps3 and start using either GSA purchased plates like MB does or maybe make something similar?

[Germaine Marine]

Very interesting, I have been strongly considering adding GSA to my boat. Even tho the Nauticurl suck gate I have puts out a very nice clean wave....GSA is so much easier and I have a friend I ride with frequently that has that system on his 2006 and it works beautifully. My only hangup has been spending $4k when I already have something that works excellent, just cannot switch sides on the fly with suck gate. I doubt my wave would get "better", but certainly would be nicer and easier to use by having electronic control. From what I have seen tho, the GSA tabs are better than any other tab system out there the way it directs/forms water using the channels in the tabs. May end up being something I add this winter since I plan to keep boat for a few years.

Ring me, I might be able to help you out on that price tag

[Germaine Marine]

So do you think we'll see Tige move away from Taps3 and start using either GSA purchased plates like MB does or maybe make something similar?

I have been trying to get Tige to switch over for a year, lots and lots of work. The problem is trying to get Murphy to make changes to support the system in a timely manner in-order for it to function off the clear. Sounds easy but its not when you are having to deal with another major MFG. With the new GSA controller I would rather use that module anyway given it has autolaunch, can be run off your phone and will eventually have apple watch support. In my mind its just easier to go that route.....

[D&P Powell]

You have an apple watch?

[Germaine Marine]

You have an apple watch?

Not currently, a friend stole it cause he is too cheap to get one himself.

[dakota4ce]

I really wish there were someone out there that was running GSA on a Supra SE using the factory controller. Now that would be sweet to hook up with that guy who supposedly exists but yet has vanished.

[freeheel4life]

Did you ditch the Swell?? I got to get a ride on an 18 SL yesterday and had a great time. Maybe it was that the only goofy rider in the boat was a small gal, but I swear watching her surf the goofy wave mad it look truly overhead during a bottom turn. Sure had fun on my regular sets too.

[Germaine Marine]

Swell 3.0 is pretty magical but thats for another forum..

[freeheel4life]

Swell 3.0 is pretty magical but thats for another forum..

Ha, if I picked up another forum habit I'm pretty sure Id end up divorced. Have a brand new S bend Craz cover above my box and a complete set of Mojo carpet that's new as well. Can't even bring myself to register so I can get rid of it on the SC forum.
Talk your car bomb co captain into flooring a 5!!

[Germaine Marine]

They are pretty massive........ No one has really gotten their hands dirty with one yet. Prob because we already know what it will do

[dakota4ce]

Did you ditch the Swell?? I got to get a ride on an 18 SL yesterday and had a great time. Maybe it was that the only goofy rider in the boat was a small gal, but I swear watching her surf the goofy wave mad it look truly overhead during a bottom turn. Sure had fun on my regular sets too.

I am not against it. Even though my 2.0 is damn good as is.


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