New models

[Germaine Marine]

Dandy said it right. Tige needs a bigger dealer network, the sales guy at seca said exactly that. People are coming to certain dealers out of there region to buy boats from the big guys. That's good until problems occur and the small local guys don't know how to deal with them. There is probably 5 big tige dealers that are dong extremely well, and all the others can't seem to keep tige. I wish my local dealer was bigger and better, but I also would drive a little further to buy from seca.

I think you hit on the head. The issue I see from this side is the fact that Tige owners are a rare breed. Not all, but most are die hards, know the industry and are super unique. Most are die hard surfers and most know performance and have had multiple boats in the past. You give that type of buyer a dealer that for demos or just in general cant help new buyers with the product and it spells disaster. These new boats with the surf tech need knowledgable dealers driving the bus. Dealers that surf every weekend, that have hours and hours in the machines and know them like the back of there hand. Unfortunately this just isn't the case, this is where some of the big dealers tend to separate.

[ironpeddler]

Ill weight in on what I know about the line, what I see coming and how I think the line will push to be the best boat on the market..

-The Rzx3 was launched as a flat dead rise, surf and wakeboard machine.... It was anti everything that comes with most pickles up to that point. Monster freeboard, comfortable and just a flat out performer even in stock form in the surf and wake board arena.

-The Rzx2 was a redesign of everything they feel the Rzx3 wasnt. They ditched some of the trim that added money to the overall cost. They ditched the surf locker that most people with high end glass boards refused to use. Couple those things with a hull redesign that made the running surface a monster and more efficient as well as the bonus payoff after the hull tweak that made it able to ski better then any boat in the Z line...... plain and simple it was a home run. The boat is the hot rod of the Rzx line both in style and performance.

I made a post about the RZX3 a week or so ago. Asked the specific question about the difference between the RZX2 and RZX3. The response was the hull is exactly the same, pretty much everything is the same except for surf locker.. What you just said here makes me think that the hulls aren't exactly the same...which one is it? What you say makes me think the RZX2 is a different boat in a lot of ways from the RZX3...so I ask again which one is it...they are basically the same boat or the RZX2 is an u/g from the RZX3??...Are you just biased to the RZX2 because you have one or is it actually a better boat in a more than one way...?

[Germaine Marine]

I made a post about the RZX3 a week or so ago. Asked the specific question about the difference between the RZX2 and RZX3. The response was the hull is exactly the same, pretty much everything is the same except for surf locker.. What you just said here makes me think that the hulls aren't exactly the same...which one is it? What you say makes me think the RZX2 is a different boat in a lot of ways from the RZX3...so I ask again which one is it...they are basically the same boat or the RZX2 is an u/g from the RZX3??...Are you just biased to the RZX2 because you have one or is it actually a better boat in a more than one way...?

Im not biased because I have one... Im in the boats across the line all of the time. Lets get that ironed out first. Secondly its my opinion not holy word.

Next. You can design a boat or make it (everything the Rzx3 wasnt) without saying its better or less. Its just different.

The hulls are similar and different at the same time. The bottom of the hull is 2 inches narrower on each side. Thats different and not the same. Following?

Asking which one is better is a loaded question, everyone enjoys different things boating.

This boat is slightly smaller, the top cap much lower.

The running surfaces are very very similar, but they arent identical.

[Germaine Marine]

in my response on your thread, I stated everything I said above. I also said the two are nearly identical in reference to the surf wave.

[ironpeddler]

I am just trying to make sure I understand all differences to make the best purchase possible...

And it's not a loaded question IMHO. What's nautiques best boat? Probably most would say g23. Ok if you always have 20 people then the g25 might be for your specific case. But, all things considered, the g23 produces their best wake, performs the best, etc.....why is that hard to do with tige? what's tiges best boat RZX2 or RZX3?

From what I gather, the RZX was made first, then the RZX3 was improved on that. The RZX2 was made after the RZX3 and so w/e changes they did, it seems that more r&d, etc. was put into the RZX2, it doesn't seem like they just made an exact copy of the RZX3 but 1' shorter. They made the changes for a reason I would imagine because they thought it would improve the boat....I don't know but I would like to find out. Not exactly the right thread for this, but what does the hull being 2" narrower on each side mean, what does that do to the boat?? What do you mean the top cap is much lower, do you mind explaining?

[bsreid]

The RZX2 is still new and people are still dialling it in. They'll both produce amazing waves when properly setup, if you want the space go for the 3. The Rzx3 would be considered Tige's flagship boat, right?

[Germaine Marine]

I am just trying to make sure I understand all differences to make the best purchase possible...

And it's not a loaded question IMHO. What's nautiques best boat? Probably most would say g23. Ok if you always have 20 people then the g25 might be for your specific case. But, all things considered, the g23 produces their best wake, performs the best, etc.....why is that hard to do with tige? what's tiges best boat RZX2 or RZX3?

From what I gather, the RZX was made first, then the RZX3 was improved on that. The RZX2 was made after the RZX3 and so w/e changes they did, it seems that more r&d, etc. was put into the RZX2, it doesn't seem like they just made an exact copy of the RZX3 but 1' shorter. They made the changes for a reason I would imagine because they thought it would improve the boat....I don't know but I would like to find out. Not exactly the right thread for this, but what does the hull being 2" narrower on each side mean, what does that do to the boat?? What do you mean the top cap is much lower, do you mind explaining?

Absolutely Iron.

Ill explain why it is a loaded question first.

The rzx3 is a 23 foot long pickle fork boat. It was introduced as the Rzx initially. Same boat. It has a play pen bow and has a very staunch freeboard. The top cap (half of the boat above the rubrail) is the biggest in the line. It undoubtedly is a monster which is why it needs a 440 to push it, its also the heaviest in the line.

The Rzx2 is a 22 foot version of the rzx3. This boat has a walkthrough bow rather then a play pen, it also does not have the surf locker. As for the hull, its got roughly the same bottom with little deadrise. They took the rzx/rzx3 bottom and narrowed it 2 inches. Why? because they believed it would be easier to manipulate hull orientation via taps 3. It also made the boat a little more agile. The boat from the side waterline to rub rail is also nearly identical. The boat above the run rail is much shorter then the rzx3. To put it in perspective... Where the seat meets your body on an rzx3- above the shoulder... Rzx2-below your shoulder. Its not as tall. The boat is a little lighter then the 3.

The 2 was designed to try and cross over. Meaning able to ski, etc without losing the surf capability. Its not a closed bow DD but to me it was a success. I dont think its a runner up to its big sister the 3 in the surf category. Its just as good if not easier to tweak at the push of a button.

Some people like the 3 because of how tankish it is, huge with lots of room, big play pen and surf locker. Some people love the 2 because its a little smaller, has a more user freindly interior etc. The walkthrough bow is amazing.

The reason its a loaded question again, is because of the variables. The pros and cons of both equally mask each other making the decision not very clear.

Both are insane boats...... You wont go wrong with either is the the main point.

As far as RandD.... Both are running on roughly the same bottom aside from the 2 being a smidge narrower. The Rand D on both are at the top of the industry.

Rzx2 v Rzx3.jpg

[Germaine Marine]

Hopefully that provided some clarification...

[Germaine Marine]

Tige isnt like other makers in the sense of a huge drop off from their top boat on down either. They design the hulls to all perform. Its why im such a homer. Comparing Tige and Natique is problematic for that reason.

The Z series for example is an amazing boat. I had a 16 Z3 and when outfitted with extra weight to get it close to the overall weight of the Rzx line it performed like a monster. I would still stack it to date against most anything. The difference is the Rzx line being heavier out of the box is more capable at the onset and does it all with much more ease and comfort. That being said, the Z series being traditional bow still is the favorite of the line for many.

Lots and lots variables is what im rambling on and on about.......Tige is almost impossible to compare in regards to all other makers.

[ironpeddler]

Thanks man, I appreciate taking the time to explain it to me.
A few more questions, sorry to be so noob.
By play pen, you mean that the bow is just full cushion seating level and you cant walk on floor level, where the walkthrough you get that extra 1' or 2' in the bow to walk on floor lvl? Are there bow filler cushions like the nautique? And when you say closed bow DD, what do you mean by DD there?

And I thought that the actual interior space of the RZX2 and RZX3 was identical? I know about the storage locker, I would consider that storage space...so I know the RZX3 has more storage space but I thought actual interior, or maybe sitting space was the same between the 2 & 3..its not like you are getting more space that can carry more people or sit more people you are just getting more storage space..or am I wrong??

[Germaine Marine]

The interior of the 3 is technically a smidge bigger, as well as the interior being deeper because the top cap is taller. Storage under the seats etc is all bigger because of that. Same passenger rating (16).

As for walk through....

Here is the 3.

rzx3 bow.png

The bow is all cushion and its at floor height, you cant walk through. As you can see their is a step up before the bow.... the floor and cushions are at the same elevation.

Here is the 2...

Rzx 2 bow shot.png

The rear of the boat to the bow is the same floor elevation. The boat also comes with a filler cushion to simulate a play pen, giving you a ton of flexibility.

DD- I was referring to Direct Drive

[Wakeman22]

elevated you really know your s::t and are very good at explaining it. I wish the local dealer was as well informed as you. They would sell more boats if they did. However they hire sales guys that are fishermen who run out in Rangers all day and hate us wake enthusiasts and it shows when you talk to them. When asked a question they really do not know the answer especially when you ask details and the difference between models and years. Then they try and talk like they know and those of us that have done the research fully see thru there attempt at the bs lines they spout out. Dealer support is very important to everyone and part of that is having a very knowledgeable salesman who is out in these boats and has a few years of experience behind them. It really does not matter as much with which brand boat but at least have a grasp of what ballast, setup and wakeplates and systems are.

[Germaine Marine]

elevated you really know your s::t and are very good at explaining it. I wish the local dealer was as well informed as you. They would sell more boats if they did. However they hire sales guys that are fishermen who run out in Rangers all day and hate us wake enthusiasts and it shows when you talk to them. When asked a question they really do not know the answer especially when you ask details and the difference between models and years. Then they try and talk like they know and those of us that have done the research fully see thru there attempt at the bs lines they spout out. Dealer support is very important to everyone and part of that is having a very knowledgeable salesman who is out in these boats and has a few years of experience behind them. It really does not matter as much with which brand boat but at least have a grasp of what ballast, setup and wakeplates and systems are.

[bsreid]

Yeah... we need more of you.. I went to the Orlando boat show and knew way more about Tige's and that was even on models I'd never been on.

[ironpeddler]

thanks again elevated. I will keep them coming.

someone posted that people don't actually use the surf lockers for high end boards....just because it isn't stable enough in the locker and they just bang each other and the sides of the locker or just easier to put in a rack or what?? And besides giving you a deeper interior any other positive for such a tall top cap?

edit: just noticed the pic of the two boats on the water, very helpful, much appreciated.