15 RZR with AVX

[jaywhy424]

Hey everyone. Anyone have any advice on setting up a good LONG surf wave that I can surf further back with the AVX system? My waves are short and all of the push and sweet spot is right up against the back of the boat. Been messing with the settings...but I need some advice. Thanks!!


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[007]

How fast do you surf?
What list angle and incline angle are you seeing on the TT2?
Goofy or Standard surfer (or both)?
Surf X bags?
How many people in the boat?

All can contribute to wave length with AVX

[jaywhy424]

How fast do you surf?
What list angle and incline angle are you seeing on the TT2?
Goofy or Standard surfer (or both)?
Surf X bags?
How many people in the boat?

All can contribute to wave length with AVX

Thanks for the reply!
Surfing at 11.5
Usually about 6 in the boat
I'm goofey, but I have friends that are ref
I have the bag upgrades
I don't know what list and incline angles are


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[jlavalley]

I had a 2015 r20 we had a long wave with 600lbs of lead on top of surf xl package fully loaded boat and used a mission delta wave was long and had tons of push. Mission delta made a ton of difference

[007]

Ok, my experience is from a Z3, but I think it may give you a place to start even though your boat has a different profile. Also, we like long and tall, not everyone wants the same wave.

I was assuming you have the same TT2 screens since its a 15. We have a screen that shows list angle and bow rise Maybe they didn't offer it on the RZR. If not, you can get an app on your phone to check angles. It's not perfect, but its a good bench mark.

We get a better goofy wave than standard because of the prop rotation. Speedwise, we are in the same ballpark. We run 11.2-11.7.

Goofy:
100% front and rear surfside. Maybe 20% offside rear (I have 200lbs. in lead on rear port). 10-11 degrees bow rise, 9-10 degree list. Full tank of gas helps. Taps @ 3 and AVX @ 7-10

Standard: 100% front and rear surfside. 30-40% front offside, 10-20% rear offside. 9-10 degrees bow rise. 6-7 degree list (very hard to get more list without people ballast, and we run less people than you do.) Easier to list with half tank of gas or less because you are fighting prop rotation. Yes, I am running more offside weight standard, but I am also trying to sink the boat and don't loss as much list on the standard side adding offside weight. We loose list faster adding offside weight when running goofy if that makes sense. Taps @ 3-5. AVX I change greatly depending on TAPS. I run less AVX with less taps and more with more taps.

You might need more weight, even moving one person or adding a little lead/ballast here are there makes a big difference. Always add offside weight in increments until it gets washy or subtract it until it gets clean.

[TigeFamily]

I don't know how it works in combination with AVX....but like jlavalley said....suck gate made my wave much longer and added push for days. You can also try increasing bow weight before trying suck gate for length. Suck gate made the biggest difference for me tho, for some reason, maybe due to the way it changes the delayed convergence. I have a Nauticurl but from some tests I have seen others run, dont think the brand or style makes a whole lot of difference...they all seem to work in similar way.

[jeremiah.hough]

I would highly recommend a surf gate. I thought about it for months, researched, read, etc. and decided to build my own. Cost about $30 to build. It has COMPLETELY changed surfing for us. We are surfing 10-15' back, tons of push and no list. We fill all bags 100%, slap on the gate and go. If you can't make one I'd go with the Nauticurl. Like TigeFamily said - I don't think the brand matters and Nauticurl it simple and the cheapest I found. Customer service seems great too. Here is a pic of mine. Let me know if I can help in any way to build your own. My son and I built it in about an hour. IMG_1438.jpgIMG_1439.jpg

[jslayde1]

I too am referencing from a Z3 w/avx but I would imagine the RZR would be similar - and I do NOT believe you need a suck gate to get a very nice wave!!

We run close to the same setup as 007 - only our AVX setting are a little lower (and not the first we have seen compared to other Z3s, still wondering on that one...) We run AVX 0 with my wife and kids and I run at AVX 1, speed 11.3 to 11.7 on the regular side. We very rarely set the goofy side up () but usually have the AVX around 3. We do run quite of bit of extra weight...

Quick picture for fun - Here I am 6'2 200...
just kidding - this is 6 yr old daughter and a picture from the cockpit (for those picture referencing angle folks)
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[jeremiah.hough]

The best thing about the gate is you don't have to list your boat. If you want to surf both sides it's very easy and take about 1 minute to switch. I'm not saying you have to have it to get a great wave but it makes it easy.

[supremedevice]

We've got a sweet listed wave on our R20 (same hull) with 1000 lbs of ballast filled on surf side aft, and bow filled completely on both sides. We also use about 250 lbs of lead in the bow on surf side to really make it long. The key to length when listing is weight up front, although you need to be careful as it can get dicey with the bow so low.

We have a Naughty Curl coming in the mail today so I'll be tinkering with that setup this weekend.

[007]

The best thing about the gate is you don't have to list your boat. If you want to surf both sides it's very easy and take about 1 minute to switch. I'm not saying you have to have it to get a great wave but it makes it easy.

There is much to be said for the that. I am experimenting with a Mission Delta. I tried another shaper with adjustable angels and didn't like it, but in fairness I only had it to play with for a very short time. I will tell you the delta doesn't impede steering as much as the other one I tried, but again I may have not had the boat set up right. Might have to do with having some pressure relief holes similar to the cutting board version jeremiah built very affordably.

The gate wave is different. Since you are putting much more weight in the boat, its not apples to apples with a listed wave. I am learning you still have have to lean to get a really nice clean top lip. I often don't have enough people ballast, so I have to accomplish that via moving water in the bags. It much less time moving water than without a shaper, and the boat is mostly levle at rest, but I was hoping to avoid that when adding a shaper. You can get an amazing deep and wide, nicely dished transition with a shaper...I had to add an extra 5ft. length on my tow rope. That said, I still like the listed wave better on the goof side. Standard, with no people in the boat, the shaper wave give me push that my 6'2" 230lb. frame needed to be happy off the hook.

Either way, I still love the AVX. It is a super consistent wave making machine!

[duffymahoney]

I still list with a gate. Surf side 100% and offside 50-75% depending on the size of my crew. This makes the biggest/ most clean wave.

[JohnnieMo]

I still list with a gate. Surf side 100% and offside 50-75% depending on the size of my crew. This makes the biggest/ most clean wave.

I am in the same boat (figuratively, not actually). I have to list even with the suck gate. I find if I load both rear ballasts, the boat is very too stern heavy and can't get to speed. Of course I am running 1100lb rear bags.

For those running even with a gate, how much ballast do you use front and back?

(and for the OP - get a suck gate... you won't regret it. Best $30 you'll ever spend)