Thinking About A New Boat

[UNSTUCK]

We looked hard at Mojo's, but in the end mama didn't like them.

[sandm]

spent time on a '14 mondo and a '16 craz in wi and neither surfed near as well as a tige. interiors- specifically the dash/drivers seat/ and the goofy open space under the rear bench didn't make the interior feel nearly as nice as the tige.

[freeheel4life]

Sandm,
Do you know what ballast set up on the Craz was??

[Germaine Marine]

"If your looking at a reasonably priced 23 foot, no list surf boat then you are looking at a Z3 with TAPS 3 and your gonna pay $70-85k. Anything else is just gonna be an expensive experiment. Having seen all the work even getting a proven performer consistently great would give me serious pause about spending 59-60k on something hoping to get a non listed wave. Just look at the GSA experiment going on in the other thread."


There are plenty of aftermarket fittings of GSA on to various hulls that are super successful and have been done. So there is that--keep in mind the 24Ve fitting is the first of its kind as far as I know. And I think it will end up ok in the end. But Ryan at GSA has told me F22s, 23 LSV, X30, X45--all these make killer waves with GSA, and have many examples out and about. So it would be possible to have a cheaper system boat with "data" behind it. And even more grassroots are the older MBs (example 2012 B52 23) with "goose slappers" installed. Waves are great and there are a whole bunch of them out there.

Maybe the one caveat to your otherwise spot on observations. I have under $58K into a 2013 F24 Tomcat with GSA. Its a real peach! But it takes perhaps piggybacking on someone else's experiments.

His 24VE is not the first of its kind... as far as I know.

I have been on the GSA website... No doubt I think some boats are doing really well, mainly new hull boats so in that I question the data on those. Some of the results on older hulls are a matter of opinion really which makes the whole experiment , "Well he/she said it would outperform my current wave" so subjective. We all cycle in and out of different boats that friends own etc. and have different opinions on waves. People could be used to riding long super push gate waves and hate my boat, it happens. I see a lot of the market throwing out these wild claims and when push comes to shove who is 100% standing behind them no excuses or questions asked....................Crickets.

I think buying an older hull boat with plans of making it an automated system boat via tabs is a question mark and I think that anyone telling you anything other then that is selling a product. Wayyyyyy to many variables, so I tend to agree with Bakes take.

The other systems out, delta etc (gates) I think have much more finite results.

I dont know where I was going with that exactly but take it for whats it worth...

[dakota4ce]

Did Tige change the Z3 hull when TAPS3 came out?


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[dakota4ce]

You have seen another 24Ve with GSA on it?


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[Germaine Marine]

You have seen another 24Ve with GSA on it?


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Their is another 24ve with GSA on it.

[Germaine Marine]

Did Tige change the Z3 hull when TAPS3 came out?


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They have made slight changes in the last 3 years. Nothing they felt needed a public service announcement but yes, the hull has had tweaks.

If I remember correctly the changes they made when R & D VX/AVX were sufficient and they felt would transfer over with Taps 3. I think they learned a ton via the ASR.

[Germaine Marine]

My point isnt that new hull designs are going to be the only producing surf system boats its that the odds just swing favorably in that direction. Odds that arent that great to begin with.....

Take the ASR as an example......... Odds would tell you that boat would make a monster, not so fast. A little hull tweak and wham, awesome, and out of that was born the RZX.

The older boats just arent going to be as deep, the sport was not geared for surfing 5 much less 10 years ago.... Tech and hull refinements have proven as such. Which again is why I say the newer boats have higher odds to produce via a SS wave. Just my .02

[dakota4ce]

Was anyone aware of that other 24 VE prior to the German getting his GSA? Would assume not since it's been so challenging to dial-in. I would think as thorough as the German is if he knew that there was another one out there he would've talked to that owner at length before dropping the $4000?

So also, by the fact that the Z3 shape has changed wth TAPS3, buying a 2012 or 2013 and retrofitting it with T3 would be a foolish move. Because that is a "older hull" and is not optimized for surf systems? None of these older hulls even dreamed of surfing when they were first conceived. That category would even include my F24.


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[dakota4ce]

Heck they have gone out and slapped surf gates onto chaparral boats. I am sure it works.


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[Germaine Marine]

Was anyone aware of that other 24 VE prior to the German getting his GSA? Would assume not since it's been so challenging to dial-in. I would think as thorough as the German is if he knew that there was another one out there he would've talked to that owner at length before dropping the $4000?

So also, by the fact that the Z3 shape has changed wth TAPS3, buying a 2012 or 2013 and retrofitting it with T3 would be a foolish move. Because that is a "older hull" and is not optimized for surf systems? None of these older hulls even dreamed of surfing when they were first conceived. That category would even include my F24.


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I think you are assuming everyone is super available like the three of us are, I think we arent the dorm Dakota we are freaks

The hull to my knowledge has had tweaks in the last 3 years, not specifically for taps 3. During R&D I can guarantee they were checking dynamics since the last revision which was around vx/Avx, Im sure I could get to what if any were made. I know for sure that Chine issue was resolved but thats not what im referencing although that goes to show you just 4 years ago they felt a change needed to be made in regards to the surf characteristics..

[dakota4ce]

I named F22, 23LSV, X30, X45. Unless a whole bunch of users are lying through their teeth, they do quite well with GSA on them. I'm not suggesting to try just any random boat, I am suggesting to try those that have a history of working well with it. Hence the suggestion to piggyback on other peoples experiments.


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[Germaine Marine]

Heck they have gone out and slapped surf gates onto chaparral boats. I am sure it works.


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I referenced suck gates, and even said the results were much more refined.......... yeah I did just double checked.

I think that premise is drastically different then a tab system, not even remotely the same.

[dakota4ce]

Here's how I went about it: I had no boat. I asked Brian at GSA what boat of any under $60,000 he would suggest to purchase and fit with the system. His answers were on that list that I just gave. I actually extrapolated from the F-22 suggestion, because I have a big family, and got the F 24.


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