Thinking About A New Boat

[UNSTUCK]

Bakes, didn't you buy your Z3 new? So you paid under $90k for a new one? That's about the price I value a new Z3.

[Coop]

Well....it was actually well more than a hundred K than I paid for my Z3. It was something like $190k.

Wow, I didn't know they were getting into that range. Unbelievable.

[Bakes5]

No...I bought it off my brother for a killer deal. He used it one summer...basically a trip to Powell and a few weeks at Island Park and then asked if I wanted it. He didn't exactly say why he was selling his essentially new boat but I'm guessing that it has to do with storage and maybe the fact it needs some tweaking/dialing to get the wave right. He is getting a sweet G23 this spring.

Still, even without the deal, I could have gotten into a boat in the sweet spot range and would be just as happy. The Z3 got me a significantly bigger boat with a bigger engine than my 1998 2200v that had served me well for 7 summers. The size and the power make days and nights on the water a bit nicer. Frankly, I miss the wake from my 2200v. Yes, the Z3 surfs better but surfing is something to do when we've done everything else.

The reality is that with a daytripping crew, unless you have significant subfloor ballast, surfing will always be kind be of a pain due to the storage issue and having to move things around. Most boats in your range (*except apparently the F24) you are gonna be playing the move crap around game to get the lockers filled...unless all you do is surf and just leave them empty.

In any case, unless you get turnkey sub-floor I don't see the point of going higher than your $70k budget. My rec is get the nicest $60-70k, 23-24 foot boat you can find and then spend as much time on the water as possible. Everything else will sort itself out.

[Thegerman618]

I can attest to the numbers Bakes5 stated, Nautique take a pretty penny, Malibu I believe still has the highest price point for a single production boat next to Pavatti.

[Bakes5]

the Z3 at the boat show had a boat show had an MSRP of $140k and a boat show price of $104k. Not sure what the real out the door price would be

[Germaine Marine]

Ill say it again, A HUGE section of the industry pays at or above MSRP for boats. Let that sink in a little.

[Germaine Marine]

Ill also say this and leave it alone...

Your power plant decision is the easiest way to get hurt when thinking resale. I have yet to see someone sell a Supercharged big motor boat for anything close to what they paid.

[dakota4ce]

Ill also say this and leave it alone...

Your power plant decision is the easiest way to get hurt when thinking resale. I have yet to see someone sell a Supercharged big motor boat for anything close to what they paid.

Unless you're the second guy to buy it. Then it makes sense.

[UNSTUCK]

Ill also say this and leave it alone...

Your power plant decision is the easiest way to get hurt when thinking resale. I have yet to see someone sell a Supercharged big motor boat for anything close to what they paid.

I've noticed that. In all the valuing I have done on my boat or one I'm interested in, I can never get an engine size option to pop up. And no one giving me a trade in value has asked what motor I have in mine. It is the "most expensive" engine optioned when mine was new. I guess that doesn't matter.

[talltigeguy]

Ill say it again, A HUGE section of the industry pays at or above MSRP for boats. Let that sink in a little.

I do not think anybody pays MSRP for these boats. I do not think there are a whole lot of buyers who have not heard of the internet or the boat shows. An ongoing thread at Planet Nautique right now is 'How much off of MSRP did you pay'. Most guys are quoting 15-20% and a few up to 25%. When the Z3 at the Boat show has a boat show price plastered right on the boat at 104K out of the 140 MSRP, not many buyers are going to be wandering around never having seen that. Boat shows would not exist if they did not result in a significant number of sales or leads to sales.

Maybe there are a few guys who walk into a dealership with dollars falling out of their pockets, but I am confident that those are few and far between. Not 'HUGE section of the industry' by any means.

On a side note, I thought for a while that Malibu dealers just made up MSRP out of thin air, but apparently that is no longer true. The Z3 is 26% off of MSRP that Bakes5 is talking about, does Tige publish actual MSRP numbers?

Nautique has a pricing list that many dealers give to their customers to see what every available option's MSRP is. My dealer and I just haggled about %from MSRP and left it at that. Then of course he hit me with 2K in various freight, prep and other fees, which is pretty common in the industry.

[Germaine Marine]

I do not think anybody pays MSRP for these boats. I do not think there are a whole lot of buyers who have not heard of the internet or the boat shows. An ongoing thread at Planet Nautique right now is 'How much off of MSRP did you pay'. Most guys are quoting 15-20% and a few up to 25%. When the Z3 at the Boat show has a boat show price plastered right on the boat at 104K out of the 140 MSRP, not many buyers are going to be wandering around never having seen that. Boat shows would not exist if they did not result in a significant number of sales or leads to sales.

Maybe there are a few guys who walk into a dealership with dollars falling out of their pockets, but I am confident that those are few and far between. Not 'HUGE section of the industry' by any means.

On a side note, I thought for a while that Malibu dealers just made up MSRP out of thin air, but apparently that is no longer true. The Z3 is 26% off of MSRP that Bakes5 is talking about, does Tige publish actual MSRP numbers?

Nautique has a pricing list that many dealers give to their customers to see what every available option's MSRP is. My dealer and I just haggled about %from MSRP and left it at that. Then of course he hit me with 2K in various freight, prep and other fees, which is pretty common in the industry.

Ya know, you are probably right. I wouldnt know.

[Germaine Marine]

I think its a fair to say that no one should lay stake on boat show numbers... but again just my .02

[Germaine Marine]

Unless you're the second guy to buy it. Then it makes sense.

Couldnt agree more. If you want a big motor, the 2nd, 3rd or subsequent buyer will definitely make out on the winning side. Without a doubt and a great reason to buy used Dakota

[UNSTUCK]

Ya know, you are probably right. I wouldnt know.

Well define your MSRP, and how the records are kept and if the number games play into that statement.

Case in point:

Yesterday I was offered a boat at $79995. He was going to give me $15000 for my trade. He knew I was upside down at that trade value so then he changed the numbers around to look better for the bank. I was to buy the boat at the full MSRP of $111,105 then he was going to give me $46,110 for my boat. So had I agreed to that, I would have bought a boat at MSRP, but not really. Going that route I could see how someone could also buy above it.

[Germaine Marine]

Well define your MSRP, and how the records are kept and if the number games play into that statement.

Case in point:

Yesterday I was offered a boat at $79995. He was going to give me $15000 for my trade. He knew I was upside down at that trade value so then he changed the numbers around to look better for the bank. I was to buy the boat at the full MSRP of $111,105 then he was going to give me $46,110 for my boat. So had I agreed to that, I would have bought a boat at MSRP, but not really. Going that route I could see how someone could also buy above it.

You are all making my point......... unless you are in the trade how could you possibly know what MSRP even is..............

Boat shows? Ive seen several MFGS have different state MSRPS within the same month.

Word of mouth? Hm

Again, I dont want to sit here and debate the what iffs, Im just saying that unless you have inner knowledge of the industry its really hard to make certain statements.

Unstuck, I wasnt even referencing a deal like you mentioned above but that points to just how twisted some of these things are.

I will say this....... A majority of people dont like confrontation, arent educated about the market and are impulsive. Ill say it again A MAJORITY. Im not tossing stuff out my ***, I see it.

A lot of people dont like the buying experience and a lot of dealers are pushy and rely on that mindset.

A lot of boats are sold at or near MSRP, especially at summer time.