Thinking About A New Boat

[UNSTUCK]

The new F boats have 65 gallon tanks. I just saved your buddy 20 gallons a day!

What boat are you looking at now?

[Bakes5]

I feel like I fill up my 2016 Z3 up less than I did my 1998 2200V....they both have about the same size tank. When I come close to running out of fuel it is basically when I try to do 3 half days without filling up.

[UNSTUCK]

That's what I'm used to as well, granted we float more than we ride and we shut off every time we float. We were on the water for two and half days at the reunion in september. I'll say 20 hours total on the water. I'll guess and say I used about 30 gallons of fuel. I filled up at the pump by the motel and that fill up lasted the whole trip. I know I will have to use more fuel with a bigger boat, but I'd like to avoid 2 or 3 times more fuel.

Bakes, is your a taps3 boat? I know the AVX boats will save on fuel. Will the taps3 be close to them?

Elevated, I think you have one of the heaviest Z3's. What's your fuel consumption like?

[ddutcher]

It may have a 65 gallon tank. He wasn't sure but his son said it was 85. Not a big deal until you are empty.
Not sure yet. It really like the new Supra's. There are so many choices so it will boil down to the best fit for me at that time. I love my boat but Tige not so much anymore. This is my 3rd and last one. Manufacturers customer service after the sale will big huge. Tige doesn't seem to care anymore when there are actual manufacturer defects. Simple things that should be covered under warranty but aren't per Mr CP.

[Germaine Marine]

My Z full weight 4500lbs, 6 adults and full of fuel burns 6.5-7.5 gph depending on how many times I have to start and stop. Good riders and I burn far less fuel, new riders I usually dump weight because it would be staggering. Probably around 8-9gph.

My boat with stock weight was really good, as soon as I slammed another G+ it began to take a turn to the dark side.

Boat holds 48 gallons, I fill it up before each morning and we usually surf hard for 4 hours straight with the boat always running. The last trip I want to say it burned between 1/3 and 1/2 in that time.

[Bakes5]

Mine is TAPS 3. But....we only surf a little bit. Surfing is last after we have done Slalom, wakeboard, skate, kneeboard, foil and scooter. We are pretty much going all the time and I shut off the boat every time we stop or transition riders. I think it's ridiculous and a little dangerous to keep a motor running while moving people in and out of the boat or messing with lines and what not. But I know a lot of people who do it.

In regards to our Z3, I really like it. I wish I could get a good surf wave without adding lead but I just have not had luck without it....again, kids and 165 pounders have no problem with stock ballast. I'm a bit over 200 and have trouble without a ton of weight.

[UNSTUCK]

Do you guys worry about the all that lead in the boat while on the trailer? Can you leave it where you like it or do you have to spread it out?

[Mike88]

Well, there isn't a B52 Tomcat model, so not sure what boat you were in. Second, sounds like the boat wasn't set up properly. Lots and lots of GSA/MB owners have their tabs set up poorly. I mean lots. With the settings correct, the wave is large, very steep, has a beautiful "transition" (which can be defined 39 different ways), and has craploads of push. But that's all subjective, right? What isn't as subjective is a direct comparison to a dialed RZX on the same day approximately 50 times last summer (or more, we both put 150 hours on). Set up identically to Ragboy's (we emailed him constantly--awesome dude). Surf one boat, park it, surf the other. Yes the surf waves had slightly different shapes, but not drastic by any stretch. The MB wave is taller and longer, and if you speed up it becomes longer yet. Tige had a little bit more of a mid-lip at the front. Neither were skim waves in the least. The MB wave with the tabs correctly set up is WAAAY too steep for the average skimmer. It would be hard to hold onto it without big fins. I always kind of giggle at the suggestion that Convex V is magical and produces "more push". It helps for sure, and it's a genius innovation. But it isn't as big of a deal or difference maker as some implore.

BUT, and the big BUT here, is the budget. $70K. That's a tough one to get a dialed TAPS3 Tige. See: impossible, really. Not remotely impossible to get into an MB, and darn close to a new one. That's really my point; the value proposition is really really strong at that price.

I love Tiges. But they cost a pretty penny!


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Totally right dakota! Its really matther of personnal choices and we all here to discuss our experiences haha. And you got a big point i never really dialed the b52 like i spent time on a tige so.. guess i had to demo it longer haha. Thing is mb have really poor dealers in canada.. the nearest is like 6hours away so it aint really a good thing.. and yes i admit tige are pricy but you're not paying for the name you have the quality too and off season price of tige seriously when i bought mine it was a joke.. any other brands can offer me a deal like that

[Mike88]

Mike88

How much are you running in your RZR? Also have you compared it to listed no taps3? Just crurius what taps 3 really does to this boat. We've got the W004 starboard and a 400 bag either in the walk through or on front the seats. For a 20ft boat or even just a boat without a surf system it does pretty dam good.

Hmm.. not sure rzr comes with bo surf system at all! I think ita either taps3 or avx but im not a seller so i cant say. First of all, yeah just the convex V hull does a pretty good job when correctly weighten. But yes the taps3 make a big difference.. really haha. You cant even compare a wave from a non surf system with a surf system wave.. and avx even better than taps3 (for my personnal choice)

But to come back on your question. It always depends on who is in my boat. Toge are sensitive to weight so i am not always fill my ballast the same way. Generally i fill up the bow 50% (300lbs) with my girlfriend on it. Port side full (800), starboard 50% (400lbs) and 2 poeple sitting on the port side cause im goofy. After that i play with the 25 taps setting options!. but thats my "i dont want to spend an hour dial my perfect wave, just enjoy " haha.

[dakota4ce]

I think the take home is that a SLAMMED boat with a surf system is going to be close 8 gallons per hour. I have an older 410 Indmar, but I don't think the Raptor is any better. It's more torquey, but not more fuel efficient.

With regard to the bow high comment earlier on a GSA F24, that's not the setup I run. With 500 in the bow it planes easier, runs much more level, and turns 300 less rpm. If you have GSA and aren't running bow weight, its nose high. Your wave looks big, but it's not optimized. I have been through all iterations, trust me!

Bottom line UNSTUCK is that if you want to make a surf system boat really sing, it's gonna eat fuel close to 2x the rate you're used to. It's a lot of weight and a lot of drag.

Our season is short so I just say F it and pay the bills. But it's not cheap.

I need the largest/strongest wave I can get, because I think I am 160# but I am really 230#. That's a large hunk of meat that wave needs to push. If I were a smaller man, perhaps I would not need to go to these lengths.

However, one strategy you can employ is lightening up the boat for kids, small ladies, new surfers. They don't need the cats a$$ wave, and the boat runs much easier. Then when Chase Hazen gets back there, you pump it full. If a guy was a little smart about that, there could be a lot of fuel saved. I am not, currently. Everyone gets the tsunami. Maybe I could be a little smarter.


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[dakota4ce]

The new F boats have 65 gallon tanks. I just saved your buddy 20 gallons a day!

What boat are you looking at now?

LOLOLOL!!! That was quick and easy! Can you save me some?


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[Mike88]

talking about weight. Its sure that the surf system will cost you more fuel when deployed. Maybe not the double but near i will not be supeised. im not an expert with aftermarket systems so i cant really tell. But just for example when i Demo a moomba mondo 2016 with the surf 2.0, 1100's on each side and the big 800 mushroom in the bow. We run out of gas half-day. Never expected the boat was fuel hungry like that. But i know moombas raptor are set differently, gear and things like that because when i ride my 400 and the 400 in the helix of my neighbor its TOTALLY different.. So yeah the tige hull by itself make a fuel economy compared to others and compared with moomba the motor too give a little more fuel economy. Cant say for MB i never compared to 2 for the fuel economy.. even if its a gallon difference lol.. when you buying a 70k boat i dont think the couple dollars will be very annoying lol.. go with your personal preference

[Germaine Marine]

Mine is TAPS 3. But....we only surf a little bit. Surfing is last after we have done Slalom, wakeboard, skate, kneeboard, foil and scooter. We are pretty much going all the time and I shut off the boat every time we stop or transition riders. I think it's ridiculous and a little dangerous to keep a motor running while moving people in and out of the boat or messing with lines and what not. But I know a lot of people who do it.

In regards to our Z3, I really like it. I wish I could get a good surf wave without adding lead but I just have not had luck without it....again, kids and 165 pounders have no problem with stock ballast. I'm a bit over 200 and have trouble without a ton of weight.

For surfing it would be asinine to shut the boat off for the 15 seconds or so it takes to switch riders. I think its all a matter of opinion. Long wait time sure shut the boat down, but to switch surfers in and out, no way. As for it being dangerous.... I would say thats a wild toss to left field....

But you know what they say about opinions.......

[Germaine Marine]

I think the take home is that a SLAMMED boat with a surf system is going to be close 8 gallons per hour. I have an older 410 Indmar, but I don't think the Raptor is any better. It's more torquey, but not more fuel efficient.

With regard to the bow high comment earlier on a GSA F24, that's not the setup I run. With 500 in the bow it planes easier, runs much more level, and turns 300 less rpm. If you have GSA and aren't running bow weight, its nose high. Your wave looks big, but it's not optimized. I have been through all iterations, trust me!

Bottom line UNSTUCK is that if you want to make a surf system boat really sing, it's gonna eat fuel close to 2x the rate you're used to. It's a lot of weight and a lot of drag.

Our season is short so I just say F it and pay the bills. But it's not cheap.

I need the largest/strongest wave I can get, because I think I am 160# but I am really 230#. That's a large hunk of meat that wave needs to push. If I were a smaller man, perhaps I would not need to go to these lengths.

However, one strategy you can employ is lightening up the boat for kids, small ladies, new surfers. They don't need the cats a$$ wave, and the boat runs much easier. Then when Chase Hazen gets back there, you pump it full. If a guy was a little smart about that, there could be a lot of fuel saved. I am not, currently. Everyone gets the tsunami. Maybe I could be a little smarter.


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I have also noticed that the auto delay and programming for the taps plates is not ideal. Meaning I can burn far less fuel trimming the boat to 1 via taps at blast off and then going to 3 or 4 once the boat is planed out. The last few times it has made a world of difference consumption wise, like I said above my last few trips have settled around 6gph which I can live with given I am toting around just short of 5k in ballast excluding people.

[Germaine Marine]

That seems high for anything other than a flossed out F24. Axis and MB should not be compared from a quality standpoint. The MB is a way nicer boat from a fit and finish perspective. An A24 vs an F24 is definitely not apples to apples.

For a crowd, the Z3 is not any too big. They're sweet boats, just not massive inside for a 23 footer.

I don't think Unstuck looking for a suckgate type of setup. He wants to take a step up in the world of surfing.

That's why I suggested a $50-55k 2014 F22 and add GSA. That setup would be darn hard to beat for the money.

All my opinion, and could be worth what I am charging for it [emoji23][emoji23].


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I think it really depends on "WHAT" type of room we are talking.... MB Is much bigger feel wise laterally in the boat however the boats across the line are not nearly as deep. To me, thats where the debate comes in, what is more important to you. To some, the depth of the boat isnt very important, to me and others IT IS EVERYTHING.