R21/Z1 Surf wave..

[BurnMac42]

I'm getting excited for my R21 to get here but it still has a couple weeks SO to pass the time I was wondering if peeps could post up some pics of their R21 or Z1 w/ Taps 3 surf pics along with settings/additional weight above Surf-XL, etc!

I saw the post with Elevated's Z3 and how he added 500lbs of lead in each side and his Z3 wave looks HUGE...anybody seen the need to do that to this hull?

[dilligaf622]

I have been debating adding more weight and test what I can get out of the wave... I surf goofy and been trying to dial it in to look the same on both sides.

I would be interested to know myself.

I'm getting excited for my R21 to get here but it still has a couple weeks SO to pass the time I was wondering if peeps could post up some pics of their R21 or Z1 w/ Taps 3 surf pics along with settings/additional weight above Surf-XL, etc!

I saw the post with Elevated's Z3 and how he added 500lbs of lead in each side and his Z3 wave looks HUGE...anybody seen the need to do that to this hull?

[mschmidt33]

Interested as well... Thinking of upgrading from the RZR. Considering Z1, 21VLX, or even a GS20 if we can swing it. Needs to fit is my garage. RZR has about 2ft to spare with tongue folded.

[Germaine Marine]

Every new Taps 3 boat has responded the same way that I have been on. The R21 I was just on gobbled up 300 lbs a corner and was asking for more. I think their was still some left on the table but I had only brought 600 with me from my boat.

I think the wave potential has more to do with Taps3 in these boats then the hull. I dont mean to imply that the hull has nothing to do with it rather that these systems are all producing with atleast 3-500 extra then what the factory provides and the results are pretty equal across the board. The wave gets better and by a lot.

Taps 3 when set correctly and in sync with the correct rear weight of the specific hull creates a wave that I have yet to see on other boats...... plain and simple

[Germaine Marine]

Personally I love to surf fast..... the faster within reason the more firm the wave and the faster I can go toward the transition for airs etc........

With the rear weight correct we are able to surf at speeds we couldnt with my avx z3...... I couldnt think of going to 12 or above it for that matter like I can with this boat.

12.5 mph is no problem with a correctly weighted z3 with taps3

[nmriordan]

I intend to experiment the next few weeks with some extra weight courtesy of my old fat sacs.

To date we've had the most success with all bags filled, taps 3 at 1, center taps at 3, speed of 11.6-11.8, and a boat full of people (maybe 10-11 with combo of adults and kids... Normally have some of the kids positioned in the bow to help lengthen the wave a bit). With the faster speed (we were previously surfing at 11.2) the wave is much firmer. We still go slower for the less experienced folks. We surf port most of the time.

Truthfully, I have not played with the Taps 3 setting a lot as my unsophisticated eye hasn't detected big differences.

Still def interested in others input as we are still experimenting.

Will try to snap some photos this weekend.


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[Germaine Marine]

I intend to experiment the next few weeks with some extra weight courtesy of my old fat sacs.

To date we've had the most success with all bags filled, taps 3 at 1, center taps at 3, speed of 11.6-11.8, and a boat full of people (maybe 10-11 with combo of adults and kids... Normally have some of the kids positioned in the bow to help lengthen the wave a bit). With the faster speed (we were previously surfing at 11.2) the wave is much firmer. We still go slower for the less experienced folks. We surf port most of the time.

Truthfully, I have not played with the Taps 3 setting a lot as my unsophisticated eye hasn't detected big differences.

Still def interested in others input as we are still experimenting.

Will try to snap some photos this weekend.


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The surf plate in any other position but fully deployed is a waste IMO..........

[BurnMac42]

Seems like a silly question to ask now but on the R21 is all the stock ballast hidden so if you want to add weight you are just throwing it in one of the rear compartments?

[Z3CO23]

Seems like a silly question to ask now but on the R21 is all the stock ballast hidden so if you want to add weight you are just throwing it in one of the rear compartments?

Burn,

Elevated is running lead underneath his surf XL bags. He uses leadwake bags. Pretty good bags.

Surf XL is not enough weight to match some of the dialed listed waves some have achieved. The wave will always be different but with additional weight it will get better. This is all based on my Taps 3 Z3 and I'm sure it translates to the Z1.

If you surf with a good crew (like more than 4 adults in the boat) you probably wont need extra weight in the Z1. If you don't have the crew then extra weight is nice.

Also, bump the speed to 11.2. Even with just Surf XL weight it firms up the wave considerably. Took some getting used to for me. I'm a big guy and was totally against more speed cause I thought I would loose push. I was wrong.

Elevated is right for the Z3, 800 pounds additonal is the bench mark, I've found that can come in passenger weight or ballast. For every 100 to 150 lbs of additonal weight you can bump speed .1. The wave will just continue to firm up and lengthen.

This is all based off my endless playing with my boat all season. FWIW.

[BurnMac42]

Z3 thanks for the info man! It definitely helps having a starting point because I will only have a couple times out on the boat before it will be winterized unless we have a decent September here in Ohio....it's gonna be a LONG winter...

[Z3CO23]

No problem. You'll have to play with bow weight. I'm not sure if you'll be able to go full bow weight with just the Surf XL. On the Z3 with all 800 lbs full and just Surf XL it flattens out too much. I would start with maybe 50% front full first and then as you add some weight with passengers bump up the percentage up front till you get what you like. There's gonna be some trial and error with it. I enjoy that part though.....

[nmriordan]

Burn, the rear compartments are pretty full when the bags are filled. If adding non-passenger weight you need to go the lead route as Elevated/Z3CO suggested or put some fat sacs on the seats or floor.


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[Germaine Marine]

I hate having stuff on the floor, I bought this boat so I wouldn't have to do it. Needless to say it needed more weight so I went the lead route for two reasons.

1. At 800 additional, the trailer was still within weight specs if when I am done I move 400 out and onto the center of the floor to trailer.

2. It keeps the compartment usable. Meaning even when completely full the compartments still have room for vests and stuff.

3. I wanted the adjustability if a weird situation arises with a certain crew weight. Really easy to move the weight anywhere possible in the boat...

4 I don't want to have to use a separate pump with a bag or two on the floor. I've done it once, never again.

[nmriordan]

Elevated, agree with everything you said.

Perhaps Burn will have the same result we had when we bought our first Tige...... we became very, very "popular" and now always seem to have plenty of volunteers to help weigh her down and push out a fantastic surf wave for a 21' boat.


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[Germaine Marine]

Your boat might take a different rear weight then ours and if so all the better. The name of the game with Taps 3 is getting the hull deep enough for the convex vx to do what it is designed to do, anything short of that is dissapointing.

The best way I found to achieve that was to set all the settings, fill the rears and then fill the bows according to crew size. Then add 100 each side and go, increase speed from 11-11.8, if the wave flattens, the hull isnt deep enough. Add 100 more a side and repeat.

For my boat, 400 a side was when convex vx started working, i could take the speed clear up to 12.5 without any issues.

I want to settle around 550 in each corner with around 200 in the bow but I need a prop before I can push it anymore.

PS with the settings and weight above the boat is super safe still, no water over the nose and the boat turns as decent as it can for having any amount of water on for that matter.