Mission Delta surf shaper review/test day 1 on 2014 RZ2

[Robmc9]

Just had 2 hours on the lake with the M Delta. 1st off when playing around with the M Delta I'd suggest not to wear sunglasses, I donated a pair of Polarized Spy glasses to the lake gods.....there's a lot of back and forth and lots of looking down and tweaking the position of it while looking over the water.

My info - 2014 RZ2 w/vx, 1200 per rear corner and 400 per side in the front, gas was half full, and I was the only person in the boat (190lbs), kept speed around 10.8, taps usually 4 (but I'll comment on that below) and 30-40' of water. Drove the same route on all test runs. Ran all runs on goofy side.

Pictures to come later.

M Delta - set in the regular position (paddle in front) still lots of work on positioning but I'll update later once i get a surfer behind the boat

1st off - YES it cleaned up the wave from a fully listed boat and made my wave better

- 1200 suf rear, 0 opposite side, 400 surf front, 0 opposite front - couldn't find a good spot to make the M Delta affective
- 1200 surf rear, 800 opposite rear, 400 in both fronts - cleaned up wave big time and looked like it extended and made the wave wider (my listed wave is pretty steep) wouldn't say it made it taller though
- 1200 in both rears and 400 in each front - also good improvement but wave seemed more washed out

M Delta - set in the reverse position (paddle at the rear) still need to play around of height/position but will update later

- 1200 surf only, 0 opposite and 400 surf front and 2 other front - same result as above test - wouldn't recommend
- 1200 surf side, 800 opposite side rear, 400 in both fronts - I think this is the winner! and played around with this one the most. Wave become the best at 11mph and taps at 5
- 1200 surf and opposite rears, 400 in both fronts - good but again wave wasn't as nearly as clean as it was with boat slightly listed.

again input is from 2 hours only with no surfer or extra people in the boat but I did find a ratio of 100% surf and 80% non surf side with all fronts full made the best wave. Having the taps at 5 vs 4 also made a large improvement. Anything around 10mph made the wave too short compared to what I'm used to, which is 10.8'ish.

Excited to get out here shortly and surf behind it so will update later tonight or tomorrow. Will also update on regular side wave once I get a reg surfer (our family is all goofy)

Comments of the quality of DM Delta - never had an issue put the screws in to switch plate from regular to reverse, leash is long enough to keep attached to swimmer handle so I never had to swap it out which is nice. It did pop off once but I knew it wasn't completely suctioned well enough and it popped off with no damage to the boat. Never felt like I was over straining the suction cups and slipped off really easily (just slide it back towards the end of the boat)

Another comment on wave - I'm see'ing a line (indent/slash) on the wave about 8" from the peak of the wave which I know will cause me some grief so I'm not 100% certain but I'm guessing the corner of the VX is causing (should see this when I upload pictures) this so if anyone has thoughts on how to get rid of this slash in the wave it would be appreciated. And again not 100% as I'll need to do a regular set-up to see if its on that side as well.

Hope this helps!

[Germaine Marine]

The slash in the wave is caused by two issues in my opinion.......

Not enough surf side weight or too much non surf side weight and usually not not enough speed.

[Germaine Marine]

Took me a while to get it out of my z3 wave, once I identified what was causing it, it was pretty simple to rectify................ lol Rectify...

[Robmc9]

Just finished our 1st surf session. 2 Goofy and 2 regular. End result for sure is 100% surf, 80% non-surf and both fronts full. Next trip out will try only surf front. Taps at 5 and speed 10.8. Put fuel in so tank was now full vs this am when it was half full. Boat had 4 adults and 1 child.

Is it worth it - 110% the wave is longer, not as steep and more push then my fully listed boat. Previously I could surf the full length of the rope (with holding onto the rope) but now I can fully surf further back with confidence with no rope. I guess the easiest way is to say the wave is bigger, more push and allows way more mistakes without loosing the wave. I tried trick I 100% would have lost the wave previously and with the M Delta I stayed up and kept surfing. trying it on our neighbours 2009 Malibu shortly to see how much better it makes their wave.

I was skeptical at 1st but now I'm completely sold!

[Z3CO23]

Glad you got good results! With my taps 3 I need to bleed off alittle weight when we surf regular as well. Goofy I can evenly weight and I'm good to go. This is all with a light crew so I simulate passenger weight with a floor bag

[r20tige]

Good to see you are having a benefit from it I have an 2015 r20 with the surf ballast and was trying it and ya I'm not having near the results

[Detonate]

Try it with both rear sacks full,
25%-50% full up front
MD in the front position.

This is what has been working for me on the Z3.

Rather than listing even slightly, I've found reducing the weight on the bow has the greatest effect on the wave.

This was confirmed by Wakemakers in a Surf System webinar they did awhile back where they said that Surf Gates usually require a little more speed, and less bow weight to get the best wave.

[Jimmyjim]

Good to see you are having a benefit from it I have an 2015 r20 with the surf ballast and was trying it and ya I'm not having near the results

I have a 2014 R20, no vx. Enzo sacs on top of the hard tanks.

The Delta on my boat likes to be a little further forward than I would have guessed.
The front of the Delta is probably 2' forward of the rear of the boat.
I place it as far down on the hull as it will go. Typically running 11.6-11.8 on the speed.

Also, I cant run the rear bags completely full like I would running it listed.
It makes the wave way too short.

[Robmc9]

that speed seems way too high....anything above 11 makes the wave too small and too short on our boat. What is your taps at? Have you tried the 100% surf and 80% non-surf? Sorry not certain on the R20 but are you filling the fronts full as well?

[r20tige]

When we were playing with it I first tried all ballast full my r20 has the surf ballast witch is 200 each front and 600 each rear..best we could get was around 10mph taps at 5 but wasn't near the wave we get listed just wanted to try it so that we weren't filling and dumping ballast so much.... I tried many different setups changing ballast and also placement only thing I really noticed is it was going to use way more fuel cause the engine was working harder

[Robmc9]

Have you tried flipping the MD so the flap is at the rear of the cups? For sure will be hard on gas but so far we've now tried it on multiple boats here at our lake from Malibu's to Moomba's and its increased everyone waves length and overall push that 3 other people have bought it this week. Next step would be to add a 400lbs to each rear compartment (can be plumbed to us the TT) to get the best wave possible. I'm sure you've tried it but I have it as high as possible (its touching the Tige emblem) and as far back as I can as well (in the reversed position.) Hope that helps.

[r20tige]

IMG_20160731_203457467.jpgYes I have tried it both directions but the only place I can get the cups to stick is down at the bottom of the haul

[bsreid]

R20tige
We're having the same problem as you, the only place we could have it stick due to the curvature of the hull was down on the lower ledge, or way too far forward. Once we did get it to work the listed wave was just so so much nicer, it just lacked the push and the lip which tige's are known for.
A friend who works at a glass shop recommended spraying wd40 on the suction cup to get a better hold. Haven't yet got around to trying it. I feel like it would take the finish off the gel, thoughts?
I think we're going to end up selling ours to a guy with a Malibu

[lancehon]

[ATTACH]44026[/ATTACH]Yes I have tried it both directions but the only place I can get the cups to stick is down at the bottom of the haul

That's exactly where I run mine except I flip it the other way do the tab is in the very rear

[r20tige]

i dont think wd40 would hurt anything... i think im just going to paint mine up and make it look nicer and its going to be a present to my brother inlaw for his mastercraft